Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by sabareesh » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

enraged_camel wrote: post #5

Tesla's biggest problem right now is Elon and all the negative publicity he generates. I think the stress and lack of sleep and crazy long hours are finally getting to him, resulting in outrageous behavior that has become a severe liability for Tesla. Just a year ago I would never have thought I would say this, but perhaps he needs to step aside and hand the reins over to a talented COO-type like with Gwynne Shotwell…

Impossible things achieved by Tesla when company is going so quick I think it is common . https://cleantechnica.com/2018/10/14/8-impossible-goals-tesl...

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by cowmix » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:34 PM UTC

throwaway2016a wrote: post #3

I actually really want to buy a Model 3 but these stories that Tesla has a bridge note due in March that they may not be able to cover have me concerned. If I buy a car I want to make sure the company is around to service it. I don't see this article covering that particular article. In fact the word "debt" appears nowhere in it. Edit: I'm actually asking someone to prove the debt issue wrong if they can. It is liter…

Huge Tesla fan here but this is the one thing that has me up at night too. I would like someone to "show me the way" on this topic too.

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by sokoloff » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:35 PM UTC

> Tesla has achieved enormous results in ramping up its Model 3 production faster than almost any new model car in history.

That defies my gut feel, so I checked on carsalesbase to confirm/refute.

Nearly any new car model that I look at far outsells the Model 3 during new model ramp up...

http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/tesla/tesla-model-...

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by lozaning » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

throwaway2016a wrote: post #3

I actually really want to buy a Model 3 but these stories that Tesla has a bridge note due in March that they may not be able to cover have me concerned. If I buy a car I want to make sure the company is around to service it. I don't see this article covering that particular article. In fact the word "debt" appears nowhere in it. Edit: I'm actually asking someone to prove the debt issue wrong if they can. It is liter…

I hope Tesla succeeds, but I cant deny I'd love to pick up a 3 on the super cheap because Tesla went belly up.

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by bfwi » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

throwaway2016a wrote: post #3

I actually really want to buy a Model 3 but these stories that Tesla has a bridge note due in March that they may not be able to cover have me concerned. If I buy a car I want to make sure the company is around to service it. I don't see this article covering that particular article. In fact the word "debt" appears nowhere in it. Edit: I'm actually asking someone to prove the debt issue wrong if they can. It is liter…

The CEO has shown willingness to fund Tesla Motors and SpaceX with almost all his personal funds. If I remember correctly, he is worth more than Tesla's debt, and unless he is somehow unable to liquidate enough assets to cover that debt, it won't be the end of Tesla.

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by calyth2018 » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:37 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #13

> Tesla has achieved enormous results in ramping up its Model 3 production faster than almost any new model car in history. That defies my gut feel, so I checked on carsalesbase to confirm/refute. Nearly any new car model that I look at far outsells the Model 3 during new model ramp up... http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/tesla/tesla-model-...

How dare you fact-check an article? ;)

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by enraged_camel » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:38 PM UTC

tarboreus wrote: post #7

enraged_camel wrote: post #5

Tesla's biggest problem right now is Elon and all the negative publicity he generates. I think the stress and lack of sleep and crazy long hours are finally getting to him, resulting in outrageous behavior that has become a severe liability for Tesla. Just a year ago I would never have thought I would say this, but perhaps he needs to step aside and hand the reins over to a talented COO-type like with Gwynne Shotwell…

This is probably availability bias. You read about his gaffes but you have no exposure to what he actually does inside the company.

That's the thing though: why do we have no exposure to what he actually does inside the company? You would think that Tesla would put in some effort to generate positive PR for their CEO to counter his nonsense. Why aren't they?

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:40 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #13

> Tesla has achieved enormous results in ramping up its Model 3 production faster than almost any new model car in history. That defies my gut feel, so I checked on carsalesbase to confirm/refute. Nearly any new car model that I look at far outsells the Model 3 during new model ramp up... http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/tesla/tesla-model-...

The author describes himself as a cleantech and blockchain reporter [1].

[1] https://medium.com/@michaelbarnard_46445

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:41 PM UTC

bfwi wrote: post #15

throwaway2016a wrote: post #3

I actually really want to buy a Model 3 but these stories that Tesla has a bridge note due in March that they may not be able to cover have me concerned. If I buy a car I want to make sure the company is around to service it. I don't see this article covering that particular article. In fact the word "debt" appears nowhere in it. Edit: I'm actually asking someone to prove the debt issue wrong if they can. It is liter…

The CEO has shown willingness to fund Tesla Motors and SpaceX with almost all his personal funds. If I remember correctly, he is worth more than Tesla's debt, and unless he is somehow unable to liquidate enough assets to cover that debt, it won't be the end of Tesla.

> he is worth more than Tesla's debt

Most of Elon's net worth is in illiquid SpaceX stock and Tesla shares.

Re: Tesla Is Doing Much Better Than Headlines Suggest

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Post by ed_balls » Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 6:42 PM UTC

And this is a bad article as well

> The company is massively outselling its competitors in North America

How can you compare Tesla models to BMW 7? It should be compared to BMW5. What is more, SUVs rule the market and that's where they main focus is (Audi e-tron, Mercedes EQ etc.)