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PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

fabricexpert wrote: post #6

I've been doing lots of research on video games and some other niche areas, it's staggering how much information is on YouTube and only on YouTube. There are millions of hours of super high quality user-generated content locked up in videos that can't be (or aren't) indexed properly, all of which are effectively owned and maintained by Google. The number of alternatives to youtube is approximately zero. No one wants…

It's a good point. I'm very interested in plans to allow recouping of network costs. I'm happy to store my videos on my home desktop or in the cloud somewhere; that's inexpensive. But if a million people want to download my videos in 4K someday? I can't afford to pay for that. Those downloaders might be willing to pay a few pennies each, though. An advertising network seems like the obvious but wrong solution. I wonder if there could be some standardized way of generifying payment for videos, so that users could plug in any combination of ad viewing, direct payments, or whatever as desired, so that the ecosystem around getting money out of viewers could develop independently from the ecosystem for providing content.

Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by erva »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #16
nyxtom wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship seems to be the main driving force behind users looking at other platforms at the moment. That being said, unfortunately, without the ad model, there's minimal incentives for users to fully migrate to other platforms like Patreon (for instance). If any new platform that wants to come online and compete, it will have to integrate the ad-model to provide any kind of real incentives for the users.

Patreon should become a supporter of PeerTube development when Youtube axes Patreon platform use entirely.

YT now has channel "memberships" built in that mimic Patreon. Since it is integrated into YT you get a streamlined perks platform along with a special icon noting you are a "member" of the channel when commenting.

Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by veridies »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #21
fabricexpert wrote: post #6

I've been doing lots of research on video games and some other niche areas, it's staggering how much information is on YouTube and only on YouTube. There are millions of hours of super high quality user-generated content locked up in videos that can't be (or aren't) indexed properly, all of which are effectively owned and maintained by Google. The number of alternatives to youtube is approximately zero. No one wants…

It's a good point. I'm very interested in plans to allow recouping of network costs. I'm happy to store my videos on my home desktop or in the cloud somewhere; that's inexpensive. But if a million people want to download my videos in 4K someday? I can't afford to pay for that. Those downloaders might be willing to pay a few pennies each, though. An advertising network seems like the obvious but wrong solution. I wond…

I think that you’re fundamentally describing BitTorrent, which allows very wide distribution of large files with very low bandwidth costs. If one’s only goal is hosting videos with minimal bandwidth usage, BitTorrent (and maybe a scheme to prioritize uploading to peers that upload more themselves) works perfectly, and there exist browser plugins to enable in-browser torrent streaming. The problem, of course, is that there’s no way to monetize that, but honestly the vast majority of YouTubers don’t make any money anyway.

Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by austinheap »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #21
fabricexpert wrote: post #6

I've been doing lots of research on video games and some other niche areas, it's staggering how much information is on YouTube and only on YouTube. There are millions of hours of super high quality user-generated content locked up in videos that can't be (or aren't) indexed properly, all of which are effectively owned and maintained by Google. The number of alternatives to youtube is approximately zero. No one wants…

It's a good point. I'm very interested in plans to allow recouping of network costs. I'm happy to store my videos on my home desktop or in the cloud somewhere; that's inexpensive. But if a million people want to download my videos in 4K someday? I can't afford to pay for that. Those downloaders might be willing to pay a few pennies each, though. An advertising network seems like the obvious but wrong solution. I wond…

That's kinda the whole point of PeerTube: the people watching your video also become peers in the WebTorrent swarm so no one party ends up eating 100% of the bandwidth cost. To use your example: if "if a million people want to download my videos in 4K" then you will have a LOT of peers in that swarm. The more peers in a swarm the less likely _any_ PeerTube instance will have to serve _any_ video content at all.

TLDR; popular videos are the most likely to have little-to-no bandwidth cost for the content creator/instance admins.

Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by livestyle »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #16
nyxtom wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Censorship seems to be the main driving force behind users looking at other platforms at the moment. That being said, unfortunately, without the ad model, there's minimal incentives for users to fully migrate to other platforms like Patreon (for instance). If any new platform that wants to come online and compete, it will have to integrate the ad-model to provide any kind of real incentives for the users.

Patreon should become a supporter of PeerTube development when Youtube axes Patreon platform use entirely.

Patreon is part of the SV mafia.. They're just as bad w/ arbitrary censorship.

Bitcoin is a better use case for PeerTube imo.

Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by stev0lution »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #21
fabricexpert wrote: post #6

I've been doing lots of research on video games and some other niche areas, it's staggering how much information is on YouTube and only on YouTube. There are millions of hours of super high quality user-generated content locked up in videos that can't be (or aren't) indexed properly, all of which are effectively owned and maintained by Google. The number of alternatives to youtube is approximately zero. No one wants…

It's a good point. I'm very interested in plans to allow recouping of network costs. I'm happy to store my videos on my home desktop or in the cloud somewhere; that's inexpensive. But if a million people want to download my videos in 4K someday? I can't afford to pay for that. Those downloaders might be willing to pay a few pennies each, though. An advertising network seems like the obvious but wrong solution. I wond…

Ever heard about Brave or BAT? https://github.com/brave

Re: PeerTube 1.0: A decentralized video hosting network, based on libre software

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Post by ajvs »

I prefer the DTube approach personally.

It instead uses the Steem blockchain for text content so it doesn't have the issue that ActivityPub or other federation protocols have where it needs to bootstrap to the largest instances, which is in effect partial centralisation.

Blockchain use also means that server costs are passively paid for due to block rewards which makes it scalable. Lastly content creators can get paid directly via cryptocurrency so it encourages much more content creation.

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