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Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your theory should apply to any huge city where drinking is not taboo. I've visited a few huge cities in North and South America dozens of times over my lifetime. I do not remember ever seeing people in non-ragged suits sleeping rough. Is anyone else's experience different? If this is specific to Japan, that's worth pointing out, even if the explanation is speculative and may well be wrong. Any other theories?

> If this is specific to Japan There are several additional factors: - social drinking after work is "the norm" in Japan. Not every day, but several times a week is not uncommon. In large companies it is excepted that you would join such events, since it's pretty much a way to talk about work (and other things) in an informal context. - alcohol is produced locally and there a very large industry pushing for consumpti…

i think you forgot that tokyo is one of the safest city. Those people won’t get robbed or mugged.

Try that in Paris and you’ll wake up naked on the pavement.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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Just commenting to point out the use of "legless" to mean extremely drunk. I found this in an online dictionary, but it's new to me. Maybe it's a regional thing.

British colloquial. See also: pissed, rat-arsed, smashed, hammered, wrecked, and possibly others.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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> When the train has gone and a hotel is too expensive pavements and benches are the only option. of course not. In japan you have tons of options to spend a night in town for a few bucks. Go in a Karaoke at night, or an internet cafe (even some are "boxed" so that you have decent privacy to doze off)... it's far from being difficult. That is also why internet cafes have showers available... > . But in the deferentia…

> When you are in a city with millions of people transiting, you are bound to see a lot more of people who are dead drunk on your journey because a lot more people pass by everyday. Dead drunk passed out on the ground? Hobos maybe, not dudes in suits. You rarely see this phenomenon in China or South Korea.

> Dead drunk passed out on the ground? Hobos maybe, not dudes in suits. You rarely see this phenomenon in China or South Korea.

I'm pretty sure the difference in China is caused by communism of the past actively punishing homelessness. It was the same in Europe and the effect still remains: People hate and fear the homeless and would never consider sleeping on the street.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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Imagined the shitstorm if someone went around taking picture of collage-aged girls passed out on the pavement, and published them it in a book..... Yes, they have passed out in public. But I still think people have some right to privacy.

I am all for privacy, but public is public. Are you suggesting women somehow deserve more dignity than men? Or just that our public perception is skewed?

I find your post confusing. While an appeal to privacy for the homeless makes sense, these men have (hypothetically) a choice to go home, or elsewhere, even if inconvient. I realize the article is hinting that the choice is not as voluntary as they would perfer, but that is a very different set of value judgements.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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post #22
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If this is specific to Japan There are several additional factors: - social drinking after work is "the norm" in Japan. Not every day, but several times a week is not uncommon. In large companies it is excepted that you would join such events, since it's pretty much a way to talk about work (and other things) in an informal context. - alcohol is produced locally and there a very large industry pushing for consumpti…

i think you forgot that tokyo is one of the safest city. Those people won’t get robbed or mugged. Try that in Paris and you’ll wake up naked on the pavement.

Or dead.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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Just commenting to point out the use of "legless" to mean extremely drunk. I found this in an online dictionary, but it's new to me. Maybe it's a regional thing.

It's British slang. That said, I'm British and have been to Japan and seen the drunken salarymen with my own eyes, and even I was confused at this title.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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> When the train has gone and a hotel is too expensive pavements and benches are the only option. of course not. In japan you have tons of options to spend a night in town for a few bucks. Go in a Karaoke at night, or an internet cafe (even some are "boxed" so that you have decent privacy to doze off)... it's far from being difficult. That is also why internet cafes have showers available... > . But in the deferentia…

Your theory should apply to any huge city where drinking is not taboo. I've visited a few huge cities in North and South America dozens of times over my lifetime. I do not remember ever seeing people in non-ragged suits sleeping rough. Is anyone else's experience different? If this is specific to Japan, that's worth pointing out, even if the explanation is speculative and may well be wrong. Any other theories?

How about safety?

Hard to think about getting robbed or being shot at.

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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> When the train has gone and a hotel is too expensive pavements and benches are the only option. of course not. In japan you have tons of options to spend a night in town for a few bucks. Go in a Karaoke at night, or an internet cafe (even some are "boxed" so that you have decent privacy to doze off)... it's far from being difficult. That is also why internet cafes have showers available... > . But in the deferentia…

A lot of salaryman positions are barely paying above combini rates. Renting a karaoke room in the areas these people work isn't an option when you consider how often they're out "entertaining". Internet/manga cafes are a cheaper option but from what I've heard they tend to get quite full.

> A lot of salaryman positions are barely paying above combini rates

Interesting, how long has this been the case? Is hoping for promotion realistic?

Re: Legless Japanese businessmen: the photographer who caught a Tokyo epidemic

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The famous capsule hotels are made specifically for people who missed their last train home. Tiny spaces but comfy, cheap and clean. You even get a pair of PJs, toothbrush and soap. It's a great system.

The photographer and / or Guardian author can't seem to make the distinction between workers who got so smashed they pass out on the street, and workers who just missed their train. The latter certainly aren't going to collapse on the side walk in a "fashion-magazine look"

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