Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by viggity » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 8:54 PM UTC

Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files
abcnews.go.com

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by viggity » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 8:59 PM UTC

I understand combing through this material and releasing information about illegal or highly suspect activities. But a carte blanche release of all this classified material is going to get even more innocent people killed.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by rick888 » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 9:34 PM UTC

viggity wrote: post #2

I understand combing through this material and releasing information about illegal or highly suspect activities. But a carte blanche release of all this classified material is going to get even more innocent people killed.

It's okay. As we've seen with earlier releases, it's better for a few innocent people to die than keep some of this information secret.

"Some of them probably even deserve it"

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by babeKnuth » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 9:55 PM UTC

viggity wrote: post #2

I understand combing through this material and releasing information about illegal or highly suspect activities. But a carte blanche release of all this classified material is going to get even more innocent people killed.

unsure if i agree or disagree with that. is there evidence for this?

also, the counter-argument can be made that the initial actions of the invading forces also contribute to such things as getting even more innocent people killed.

maybe the two should be measured or compared on some sort of scale? that killing some innocent people (thru wikileaks) is much less than the continued killing of some innocent people (thru invading forces).

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by noelchurchill » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 9:58 PM UTC

There is no justification for doing wrong.

The motive for keeping incriminating evidence hidden is to continue engaging in nefarious behavior without being caught.

The fact that people's lives will be in danger after releasing the information is even more reason to not engage in that behavior in the first place. It is NOT justification for continuing to hide the horrendous things that have been done.

The only thing that will bring this behavior to an end, is for the world to see what is really happening.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by flatline » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 9:59 PM UTC

viggity wrote: post #2

I understand combing through this material and releasing information about illegal or highly suspect activities. But a carte blanche release of all this classified material is going to get even more innocent people killed.

This was always a question in my mind, as to whether the risks of openness would outweigh the rewards. According to recent DOD report, the leaks to date do not appear to have resulted in any casualties:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/10/17/170227/DoD-Study-Con...

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by maukdaddy » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 10:07 PM UTC

noelchurchill wrote: post #5

There is no justification for doing wrong. The motive for keeping incriminating evidence hidden is to continue engaging in nefarious behavior without being caught. The fact that people's lives will be in danger after releasing the information is even more reason to not engage in that behavior in the first place. It is NOT justification for continuing to hide the horrendous things that have been done. The only thing t…

The fact that people's lives will be in danger after releasing the information is even more reason to not engage in that behavior in the first place

WTF is wrong with you? Would you feel differently if YOUR name was on the list?

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by viggity » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 10:08 PM UTC

noelchurchill wrote: post #5

There is no justification for doing wrong. The motive for keeping incriminating evidence hidden is to continue engaging in nefarious behavior without being caught. The fact that people's lives will be in danger after releasing the information is even more reason to not engage in that behavior in the first place. It is NOT justification for continuing to hide the horrendous things that have been done. The only thing t…

and that includes disclosing names of civilians who are helping US Forces?

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by motters » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 10:08 PM UTC

After reading some of the Guardian articles on this, and not wanting to continue reading through the grotesque catalogue of abuses, I can only conclude that the Iraq war was an illegal, immoral and (for Geneva conventions signatories) criminal enterprise.

Re: Wikileaks dumps 400,000 more files

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Post by gloob » Fri, Oct 22, 2010, 10:09 PM UTC

viggity wrote: post #2

I understand combing through this material and releasing information about illegal or highly suspect activities. But a carte blanche release of all this classified material is going to get even more innocent people killed.

This is the same sort of reasoning used by those who claim that America is responsible for September 11, 2001 because they spent the last 60 years dicking around in the Middle East. The second claim is true, and America bears responsibility for said dicking around. The first part is not - the blame falls on those who hijacked the planes and crashed them into things.

People are not dying because Wikileaks releases stuff. People are dying because other people are shooting them or blowing them up. Responsibility for an action rests with those who carry out that action.