Reading this I got the immediate impresssion that his temperament isn’t very Googley and was a cultural mismatch from the beginning. His ego is really big and doesn’t seem be able to deal with being a small fish in a big sea.
The Google+ project and exec team
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#133To summarize some of his major complaints: 1) He accepted a salary (115K) lowered than what he thought was fair 2) Design occurred in silos, there was no unity or cohesion 3) His 2nd manager was "political" and "in love with bureaucracy" 4) An exec on a rival team tried to quash his idea 5) Managers often just wanted to slap their name on his work 6) He worked all night to satisfy an angry coworker the night his gran…
>>Nos 2-5: these happen at almost every medium-large sized company I've ever worked at. If you know a place that isn't political, bureaucratic, siloed and filled with rivals and petty managers, let me know so I can give you my resume. This is one of the problems with the way their hiring is marketed. They are depicted to be asking hard CS and algorithm based questions, and a culture of a workplace is being sold which…
> The reality in every people structure one will every work at, politics is how the world works.
> In short once you have more than 2 layers of management at your company, politics is how thing will work. And its perfectly, OK. Because that's how world is.
The problem is people see "the political system" and "politicians" and think wouldn't it be great if we could do away with that, never understanding these are just examples of normal human behavior taken to extreme levels because of the competition, scale and stakes.
Politics is always present, because it's just a word to describe human power dynamics.
Company politics becomes obvious when different people want different things, and some people exert power and influence to affect outcomes, in subtle or not so subtle ways. It's as inevitable at a small company as a big company, the only difference is that it may not be as extreme and it may take a while longer to show up.
The mistake is people considering working at a company of tens of thousands of people and thinking that somehow normal human behavior doesn't apply here.
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#134Controversial opinion here. I know that exaggerating and complaining is a surefire way to get clicks, but it's hard to take the author's criticisms seriously when he complains about so many different things. Some as minor as the noogler orientation. Others as petty as putting down colleagues who haven't worked as designers before. Regarding the main event in question: I like that Google allows people to party in the…
I find not being able to show up to your job, especially a 9am meeting you scheduled, because you were hungover to be irresponsible and unprofessional.
As long as it doesn't interfere with his work it doesn't seem necessary to judge why he wasn't there (people miss small parts of the day for different hobbies all the time). If all he needed to do was reschedule one non-urgent meeting it doesn't seem like it really matters.
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#135The best bit was his take on the famed Google "adult daycare" workplace theme - essentially saying it's a clutter problem. But this guy is a dumpster fire.
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#136Engineer here. I wasn't around for G+, but it seems to be an open secret internally that G+ was one of the most poorly managed projects ever. This isn't the first time I've heard about the poorly designed incentive structures or terrible senior management described here.
I'm not going to say anything about all the other obvious caveats here, I think the other comments cover that pretty well. But because this one actually pisses me off: who cares about "partying with our competitors"? Does working at Google mean I shouldn't have friends at other companies? And above all, why the shit is your manager supposed to care about that?
For what it's worth, I've also seen people transfer in less than 3-6 months on the team they were hired into. But if you don't do anything to make it happen, it's not going to happen.
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#137To summarize some of his major complaints: 1) He accepted a salary (115K) lowered than what he thought was fair 2) Design occurred in silos, there was no unity or cohesion 3) His 2nd manager was "political" and "in love with bureaucracy" 4) An exec on a rival team tried to quash his idea 5) Managers often just wanted to slap their name on his work 6) He worked all night to satisfy an angry coworker the night his gran…
>>Nos 2-5: these happen at almost every medium-large sized company I've ever worked at. If you know a place that isn't political, bureaucratic, siloed and filled with rivals and petty managers, let me know so I can give you my resume. This is one of the problems with the way their hiring is marketed. They are depicted to be asking hard CS and algorithm based questions, and a culture of a workplace is being sold which…
People have gotten promoted off their 20% projects.
It's not all sunshine and rainbows, but to say you understand the internal dynamics of Google and the decisions that Larry and Sergey make is certainly some kind of delusional.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, it sounded like they all reported to Greg.
At places like Google, where peer reviews determine your bonuses and your career advancement, senior people on your team have to be handled politically. For a person coming in at a level 2, this means nearly everyone.
I've worked at a large software company with a similar review system in place and I think this attitude makes it sound like everyone is walking on egg shells and can't state what they really think for fear of offending someone in power. That's hardly the case.
If someone "below" me had a problem with my scheduling or some things I was doing, I'd like them to tell me and not just act angry later on.
People work together and generally try to be accommodating in large companies. But it does require people communicating their needs to each other and being fair. The poster sounded like he was holding a grudge against people and trying to power through things instead of having a frank discussion with other people. It sounds like they have talent, but they need work in working with others.
I get that sometimes you know your ideas are much better than other people's, but at the end of the day you need to work with others and give and take a bit.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
You've got that backwards. Attitude can be adjusted, but only if the person is willing. Talent can't be learned--at least not by most people, and not on the timescale of an actual job to be performed.
Hm strangely I find the opposite to be true. I actually think personality is really hard to change but if you aren't good at something you can be trained. Without the right attitude though it's hard to train someone.
I totally agree. I don't think the idea of "talent" is meaningful. For the most part, at least with software design, you can learn all this over time, but it requires you to have the right attitude (i.e. a growth mindset).
You can tell when people don't have the right attitude because they stop trying to learn things or listen to outside perspectives. That's the attitude that causes people stop learning and stop growing.
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#140For anyone interested, "Emerald Sea" was the project code name for G+.