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Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by IshKebab »

its_all_right wrote: post #19

I m going to sounds more philosophical but, please hear me out. Recently I heard the quote somewhere " the only zen you get at the top of a mountain is the one you bring along". Similarly if you are not happy with your OWN country then you will never be happy anywhere in the world. Everything is getting worst. You are better off where you are and work hard to make a content life there. I have spent 10 years in a firs…

"If you can't be happy in Somalia you won't be happy in France."

Right.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by everdev »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #14
lixtra wrote: post #2

You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success. a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you. b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an…

I don't mean to detract from the general value of this comment, but a nitpick... > Your chances to be better off than the median are very slim. Chances to be better off than the median are exactly 50%.

> Chances to be better off than the median are exactly 50%.

No, if a sample size of monthly salaries is: $1k, $3k, $4k, $10k, $12k

The median is $4k. Achieving better than that may indeed be a slim chance if it represents a level up in seniority. Your background and skills matter.

Also, in this sample size, only 40% are above median. If you measure everyone salary to the dollar, it will approach 50% but never get there. In fact above median will always be < 50% by definition.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by lixtra »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #14
lixtra wrote: post #2

You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success. a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you. b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an…

I don't mean to detract from the general value of this comment, but a nitpick... > Your chances to be better off than the median are very slim. Chances to be better off than the median are exactly 50%.

https://www.ft.com/content/022de0a4-54f4-11e7-9fed-c19e27000...

> Up to three quarters of Germany’s refugees will still be unemployed in five years’ time

Conditional probabilities matter.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by ckluczynski »

Try to connect with recruiters from Europe via LinkedIn. If you are good enough frontend developer or designer, some large companies will be willing to help you get work permit and assist you with relocation. Just ask. The fact that you don't have a degree, especially as a frontend developer, is not a problem in most of job offers for frontend developers. Western Europe and Eastern Europe offer similar pays for developers, so it's not like you have to go to England or Germany. Try Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, or Romania.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by bspammer »

rhn_mk1 wrote: post #14
lixtra wrote: post #2

You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success. a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you. b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an…

I don't mean to detract from the general value of this comment, but a nitpick... > Your chances to be better off than the median are very slim. Chances to be better off than the median are exactly 50%.

If you were selecting randomly from the population, yes.

OP would have significant disadvantages that would make them likely to be below the median.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by Yetanfou »

What about the Netherlands? The country has, for reasons you will be well aware of, a sizeable Indonesian population, albeit mostly consisting of people who moved from Indonesia before or around the beginning of the republic. It will be easy for you to get acclimatised there (apart from the weather that is but given that you mention Canada as an option the Netherlands should not be a problem here). It is one of the most 'advanced' countries in the world in many ways, things generally work the way you'd want them to. Everybody speaks English and using English in the workplace is quite common, especially in the IT sector.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by seer »

richsaunders wrote: post #3
lixtra wrote: post #2

You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success. a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you. b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an…

I am not thinking about starting a business or founding start-up. I just want to move to a better place. I honestly don't like my country. > b) Illegally migrate to another country. Well, I don't want to break the law. If I have a chance I want to move legally. But as you can say, given my background the chances are very slim. > c) Migrate within your country to a better comunity. ... If you succeed here another opti…

I can simpathise with your desires and calculations - I’ve been there myself. While the country I’ve lived in (part of the USSR) was not that bad, back when the change was happening it really felt like the only rational decision was to flee west.

Due to some unfortunate buerocratic mishaps I was forced to stay. And 20 years later here I am - still in the same country, while companies are offering me to relocate and help me with legal expenses.

After travelling a bit abroad and seeing how life is in the countries I wanted to live in, I know have the feeling thet they all have their own problems, and you get to a pretty awesome standard of living if you stay at your unexpensive place, but get a decent european/american salary. And its totally possible with remote work nowadays.

And while I still think my life would have turned out better if I was able to emigrate back in the day, life here has gotten noticably better, a lot of expats are returning and bringing the culture I desired to be a part of here.

So yeah even if you don’t manage to get out, you can still sharpen your skills, and get to work for some first world companies with a great compensation. And with not that much money, even the lousiest places can be a great place to live.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by tomp »

lixtra wrote: post #2

You probably read a lot about that 90% of the start-ups fail. So consider your options and propabilities of success. a) Try to legally migrate to a first world country. Given your background the chances are very slim. Your best chance is probably to find a western partner willing to marry you. b) Illegally migrate to another country. This is very difficult for the countries you mentioned because you have to cross an…

a1) Legally migrate to a better not necessarily first-world country (near Indonesia, the Philippines and Thailand come to mind; further away, South American countries might be interesting, like Panama, Argentina, Chile; not sure how feasible that is, but Singapore would be an amazing option). That will allow you to earn/save more money, learn more useful skills, and upgrade your CV to improve your chances of migrating again to an even better country.

Re: Ask HN: My country is getting worse. Where to go?

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Post by gilbetron »

everdev wrote: post #22
rhn_mk1 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean to detract from the general value of this comment, but a nitpick... > Your chances to be better off than the median are very slim. Chances to be better off than the median are exactly 50%.

> Chances to be better off than the median are exactly 50%. No, if a sample size of monthly salaries is: $1k, $3k, $4k, $10k, $12k The median is $4k. Achieving better than that may indeed be a slim chance if it represents a level up in seniority. Your background and skills matter. Also, in this sample size, only 40% are above median. If you measure everyone salary to the dollar, it will approach 50% but never get the…

$1k, $3k, $4k, $10k, median is $3.5k, with exactly 50% being above, and exactly 50% being below. The same happens with any sample with an even number.
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