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Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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The big tech companies are really really good at making you feel like you're exceptional and special and destined for greatness because you're good enough to work for them. But then there's the risk that they just say that then dump you in with thousands of others to churn out product. I'm increasingly convinced that there's a ton of life experience and wisdom to be gained by working for big tech in your early 20s wh…

Yeah that’s the biggest take from this. Lots of nice smart people mostly doing routine boring things made a little more palatable because it comes with a big name company and decent perks.

And we may have some inkling as to why Vic left (if the anecdotes are representative of behavior).

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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Controversial opinion here. I know that exaggerating and complaining is a surefire way to get clicks, but it's hard to take the author's criticisms seriously when he complains about so many different things. Some as minor as the noogler orientation. Others as petty as putting down colleagues who haven't worked as designers before. Regarding the main event in question: I like that Google allows people to party in the…

Seriously. When Jim schedules a meeting for 9am the next day, just tell him that you need more time than that. Instead, this guy goes home and works through the night so he can prove Jim wrong.

Way too much ego tied up in petty disagreements here.

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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post #10

Controversial opinion here. I know that exaggerating and complaining is a surefire way to get clicks, but it's hard to take the author's criticisms seriously when he complains about so many different things. Some as minor as the noogler orientation. Others as petty as putting down colleagues who haven't worked as designers before. Regarding the main event in question: I like that Google allows people to party in the…

"If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you're the asshole."

- Raylan Givens

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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post #10

Controversial opinion here. I know that exaggerating and complaining is a surefire way to get clicks, but it's hard to take the author's criticisms seriously when he complains about so many different things. Some as minor as the noogler orientation. Others as petty as putting down colleagues who haven't worked as designers before. Regarding the main event in question: I like that Google allows people to party in the…

If anyone except maybe my skip-manager scheduled a meeting for 9am, I'd say "Sorry I don't get in before 10".

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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To summarize some of his major complaints:

1) He accepted a salary (115K) lowered than what he thought was fair

2) Design occurred in silos, there was no unity or cohesion

3) His 2nd manager was "political" and "in love with bureaucracy"

4) An exec on a rival team tried to quash his idea

5) Managers often just wanted to slap their name on his work

6) He worked all night to satisfy an angry coworker the night his grandmother died, while coworker partied then rescheduled mtg

For No 1: if you don't think a salary is fair, don't accept it.

Nos 2-5: these happen at almost every medium-large sized company I've ever worked at. If you know a place that isn't political, bureaucratic, siloed and filled with rivals and petty managers, let me know so I can give you my resume.

For No. 6, if you feel a deadline or meeting time is unfair, say so. If you have a sick family member, say so.

He sent this email to his boss:

> "Greg, I had to work most of the night because of Jim, and he canceled our meeting because he was partying with our competitors. In my book, this is totally unacceptable. What am I supposed to do?"

It's never a good idea to send this. It's not going to help you, even if you're in the right. Canceling a meeting is not a gross injustice and if an employee parties afterhours that's his or her business.

I sympathize with the author. Sounds like a good dude. But you have to try to roll with the punches, no workplace will be perfect, I promise you.

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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This is really ungrateful. The author is not happy because he got to work on Google+ not chrome?

Google+ for all it's short comings were business failures not tech or ux or design failure. I worked on far stupider projects at big companies and I am utterly grateful for the opportunities given to me.

Absurd blog and no matter how muchi hate Google posts like these makes me realize how ungrateful some people can be.

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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post #10

Controversial opinion here. I know that exaggerating and complaining is a surefire way to get clicks, but it's hard to take the author's criticisms seriously when he complains about so many different things. Some as minor as the noogler orientation. Others as petty as putting down colleagues who haven't worked as designers before. Regarding the main event in question: I like that Google allows people to party in the…

totally agree. Things like "Let’s call him Greg because his real name is just as vanilla." are just petty. Maybe it is because I have a name I hate to explain to everyone but jabs at the name your parents gave you aren't cool.

There is a lot of ascribing negative motives to other people's words and behaviors when other explanations seem possible from the description he gave to the situation.

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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Publicly criticizing people & companies you've worked with because you haven't seen eye to eye with them...

Is this the sort of person you'd want to work with or hire to work for you? If it were a company that didn't pay you or were doing something unethical etc then fair enough - blow that whistle... but as far as I can see this is just someone with a chip on their shoulder and a bruised ego who can't move on.

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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I tried reading this, but it is just stream of consciousness writing and littered with unnecessary details. It comes across as petty and the author doesn't seem to be good at communicating what he wants. For instance, he's whining about a 9am meeting with a coworker. If it's such a big deal, why didn't you ask for a later meeting?

Re: The Google+ project and exec team

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post #10

Controversial opinion here. I know that exaggerating and complaining is a surefire way to get clicks, but it's hard to take the author's criticisms seriously when he complains about so many different things. Some as minor as the noogler orientation. Others as petty as putting down colleagues who haven't worked as designers before. Regarding the main event in question: I like that Google allows people to party in the…

He wouldn't be the first designer to pick apart everyday things and question them.

But you have to remember that he was told he'd get to work on Chrome but was then assigned to G+. You have to be extremely laid-back and financially secure to roll with that punch and not put the rest of the company under a microscope (even criticizing petty culture-identity labels like 'nooglers' builds up resentment).

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