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Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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But, but ... the action hero scenario then? Strafing enemy while taxiing to the runway?!

Probably more likely: Override sensor malfunction while in the air. Kinda sucks if your multi million plane gets shot down because it couldn't fire a missile because of a 50 Euro sensor malfunction...

But it apparently has these sensors.

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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This reminded me of Taffy Holden, UK's RAF technician, who in 1966 accidentally took off in Lightning after making an error. English Electric Lightning was one of the fastest fighter jets of its time. > The account has been widely published across the internet, but we make no apology for running the story here, as it’s a fascinating tale and it’s good to hear the original account of how Taffy Holden, an RAF Engineeri…

Reminds me of the time a brand new a340-600 was run into a wall, totaling it. https://www.aviation24.be/website/who-remembers-this/a-brand... https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20071115-...

This reminded me of a TV show where a guy does a touch and go with a 737 after only a month of training:

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5gfidl

It's pretty interesting, though, unfortunately, only in Dutch.

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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As a Belgian I find this hilarious. This might be the most Belgian thing ever. By the way they are investigating whether this was an accident or on purpose. The chances of this being an accident are quite small.

As a Dutchie, I really hope it's an accident, because otherwise we can't make Belgian jokes about this.

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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These are not difficult political questions. The US through NATO are forcing Belgium to buy F35s, and that'll be that. Out of all the jets allegedly in the running, only F35s can be used to drop US nukes. The very same US nukes which have been sitting around in Belgium for decades. The worst best kept secret in the country. No politician is willing/allowed to go on record about this, so they all pretend other jets ar…

It sure is silly to buy an expensive military plane if one cannot produce all parts including the engines domestically... how is hauling spares from across the Atlantic going to work in a hot situation?

Seems unlikely we would see a war where shipping lanes between the US and Europe are blockaded for any length of time. Such a war would presumably turn nuclear pretty quickly, at which point getting spares for your F35s is a moot point.

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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post #28

This reminded me of Taffy Holden, UK's RAF technician, who in 1966 accidentally took off in Lightning after making an error. English Electric Lightning was one of the fastest fighter jets of its time. > The account has been widely published across the internet, but we make no apology for running the story here, as it’s a fascinating tale and it’s good to hear the original account of how Taffy Holden, an RAF Engineeri…

Any chance he just couldn't resist to fly that plane?

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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post #45

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I'm not sure I understand your point, surely people shoot themselves by accident because they neglect to remove ammunition from the weapon, proving my point? It's not a "series of failures", it's the exact opposite, it's literally one failure.

Breaking one rule of firearm safety won't lead to death or injury. Breaking two at the same time might. It is not one failure. It is at least two.

In the case of firearms it might be 3 or more rules you'd have to break simultaneously to experience a negligent injurious discharge: Don't point the gun at something you don't intend to shoot, don't keep a gun loaded unless necessary, don't put your finger on the trigger until preparing to shoot, and use the gun's manual safety if it has one.

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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post #42

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Not many countries are capable of building their own fighter jets. Many use hand-me-downs from the US or Russia. Some more 'favoured' partners can buy them outright, but terms & conditions apply... There are rumours about US intervention/approval being required when loading the F35 computer with mission details..

Even we (the UK) can't (or least couldn't at the time) get access or permission to modify the source code on the F-35 and we (as a minor but only Level-1 project partner) partially build it. IIRC the only country that can is Israel and they got a specific exemption. Honestly I find the way our government rolls over to the US frustrating at times, As the customer we should hold a firmer line - flip side is though that…

The UK government boxed themselves into a corner by designing their new aircraft carrier to only handle STOVL aircraft. And the only such aircraft available is the F-35B. If they had designed their carrier with catapults like the French did then they would have had a couple other aircraft options, and thus more negotiating power.

Re: Belgian Air Force F-16 destroyed by fire during maintenance

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post #23

I might be stating the obvious here, but why is maintenance work being done on a fighter jet that is loaded with sharp ammunition? You wouldn't do maintenance on a gun when it's loaded, why would you do it on a multi million dollar fighter jet?

And yet people still manage to accidentally shoot themselves when cleaning their firearms. Usually it's a series of failures that lead to such an incident, rather than one single critical failure. Failsafes aren't failproofs.

Many of those "gun cleaning accidents" are actually suicides. When there's any doubt the authorities often record the incident as an accident to spare the family some pain and make it easier for them to collect life insurance.
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