Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

news.ycombinator.com

31–40 of 42 posts

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#31
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sadly, I can't obtain a law license without first paying $140,000 in mandatory tuition If you’re willing to live in Wyoming during law school, U of W offers free law school to anyone that gets accepted even those from out of state. The campus is super cute in a small town. If that is your thing, it’s a good deal. My brother in law took this route and he LOVED it. He moved from the east coast and plans to stay. He e…

Do you by any chance have a link to back that up? I went to U of W's website and they did not mention anything about free tuition.

Sorry no. I only know that was the case when he went there. He graduated about 4 years ago.

I would contact them and ask.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#32
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sadly, I can't obtain a law license without first paying $140,000 in mandatory tuition If you’re willing to live in Wyoming during law school, U of W offers free law school to anyone that gets accepted even those from out of state. The campus is super cute in a small town. If that is your thing, it’s a good deal. My brother in law took this route and he LOVED it. He moved from the east coast and plans to stay. He e…

Do you by any chance have a link to back that up? I went to U of W's website and they did not mention anything about free tuition.

They in fact mention the opposite:

https://www.uwyo.edu/law/admissions/finances/

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taxes are a form of solidarity. Now, I might agree some tax rates are significantly too high and those could be seen as theft (because you do not agree what they are spent on), but a reasonable amount of taxes need to be paid to cover the basic infrastructure of a country. I'm sure many people in developing countries wouldn't mind paying more than 5 or 10% taxes if it meant they actually got something back for their…

You say solidarity. I say indoctrination. It's not solidarity if the government brainwashes people. Of course we need infrastructure. You don't need taxes to get it. Here's what taxes are: You think you know what I should do with my money.

You are free to move to a country with a low (or no) income tax rate. Monaco is great if you can afford it.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say solidarity. I say indoctrination. It's not solidarity if the government brainwashes people. Of course we need infrastructure. You don't need taxes to get it. Here's what taxes are: You think you know what I should do with my money.

You are free to move to a country with a low (or no) income tax rate. Monaco is great if you can afford it.

Certain cities in Ukraine are quite livable (Lviv, mostly) and have lenient visa and taxation policies too, if Monaco is a bit too rich for one's blood.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Picking a license is easier than trying to defend an unlicensed work in court.. Are you speaking from experience here? Whether it has a blanket license or not has absolutely nothing to do with its status as a copyright protected work. Quite to the opposite, having a blanket license should make it harder to determine whether its use constitutes an infringement on the copyright or is permissible by the license. There…

> For one, you might want to share an idea without necessarily giving anyone access to use your work directly, or you may want to present the work publicly for exposure so that interested parties can license it individually. And there are licenses for this. At the very least, a 'all rights reserved' would have been better than having nothing specified. > Whether it has a blanket license or not has absolutely nothing…

> And there are licenses for this. At the very least, a 'all rights reserved' would have been better than having nothing specified.

Legally, that phrase doesn't mean squat anywhere in the world. A copyright notice is not a license. Stating that you own the copyright to a work is not a license. It also has no bearing in the sense that you can say "all rights reserved" and still unwittingly give people implied license to use the work for, say, reading it by sharing it publicly.

> I never said it did.

You said that it would be easier to defend it in court if it was licensed. I argue on the other hand that it should be easier to defend in court if it's a clear cut copyright infringement rather than a matter of interpretation of some license, whether the license is at all enforceable and whether it's a copyright case at all and not a matter of contract law. Granting people an explicit license to your work adds a lot of moving parts.

> My point is, you are not helping anyone by not explicitly licensing things. You might know what rights exist if no license is specified, but not everyone does. I've seen terrible advisers and lawyers say 'well, there is no license and the source is there, so it is "open source" and fair game'. having an explicit license of rights would help to discourage all but the really dense folks from abusing it.

I think that someone who is dense (or more likely, unscrupulous) enough to use someone's work without a license to do so is "dense" enough to ignore the terms of a complicated license. We actually see that all the time, for example GPL licensed software being used in ways that don't comply with their license. The "open door" really happened already at sharing the code publicly at all. There will always be people that just don't give a shit.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#36
Have you talked to them? What did they say if you did? Management might not be aware this is happening.

This here might be a quick-and-dirty attempt to stop them, at least temporarily: https://writing.kemitchell.com/2018/09/02/Killjoy-DMCA.html

Written for the US, but shouldn't matter all that much in practice.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#37
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you by any chance have a link to back that up? I went to U of W's website and they did not mention anything about free tuition.

They in fact mention the opposite: https://www.uwyo.edu/law/admissions/finances/

Oh wow! I guess they changed their policy. Thanks for finding that!

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say solidarity. I say indoctrination. It's not solidarity if the government brainwashes people. Of course we need infrastructure. You don't need taxes to get it. Here's what taxes are: You think you know what I should do with my money.

You are free to move to a country with a low (or no) income tax rate. Monaco is great if you can afford it.

I just got back from Monaco. Can you tell me what you think is so great about it? Personally I prefer the French villages not tooo far away.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#39

1. Are you willing to invest the money to go after them? Good lawyers are expensive (think hundreds of euros per hour) 2. Courts generally move slow. It might take years before you have a positive judgement. You will likely need to sue in their jurisdiction, which puts you at a disadvantage because you do not know the language and legal procedures. 3. And this is the most important one: even if you get a positive jud…

IMO, reaching out to them with a neutral tone (not overly friendly) is the best approach you can try. If they are not responding after reasonable number of (and sure it's been reached) attempts, you could try either legal options or try other options like to sell the same product as a competitor and/or openly shame the company.

Re: Ask HN: A company used my source code for their product. What can I do?

#40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They in fact mention the opposite: https://www.uwyo.edu/law/admissions/finances/

Oh wow! I guess they changed their policy. Thanks for finding that!

It might have been a scholarship or something.
Post reply on HN