Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
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Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#2Find it interesting that the article seems to place the blame on the women, when it's long been said that the docs and hospitals, ever in search of time compression and profits, were encouraging c-sections versus vaginal birth. That, to my knowledge, is the likely cause of the procedure appearing "fashionable" and "modern."
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#3Find it interesting that the article seems to place the blame on the women, when it's long been said that the docs and hospitals, ever in search of time compression and profits, were encouraging c-sections versus vaginal birth. That, to my knowledge, is the likely cause of the procedure appearing "fashionable" and "modern."
Blame definitely on the docs (liability). That being said, most new obgyns are women. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#4I wonder what its correlation with induction is. Artificially inducing labor does not tend to give the body enough time to adjust and progress.
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#5Find it interesting that the article seems to place the blame on the women, when it's long been said that the docs and hospitals, ever in search of time compression and profits, were encouraging c-sections versus vaginal birth. That, to my knowledge, is the likely cause of the procedure appearing "fashionable" and "modern."
I actually think it is probably more insidious than that. We have a lot fewer full-time homemakers. Women are much more likely to have paid jobs.
The only way to schedule the birth is by scheduling a C-section. Waiting for the baby to show up when it decides to do so is a very organic, let nature take its course, humble thing to do and it is pretty alien to how most people live these days in developed countries.
Historically, we farmed. We had to figure out how to respect nature and work with it. Most jobs today don't really do that. We think we are in control.
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#6Find it interesting that the article seems to place the blame on the women, when it's long been said that the docs and hospitals, ever in search of time compression and profits, were encouraging c-sections versus vaginal birth. That, to my knowledge, is the likely cause of the procedure appearing "fashionable" and "modern."
I actually think it is probably more insidious than that. We have a lot fewer full-time homemakers. Women are much more likely to have paid jobs. The only way to schedule the birth is by scheduling a C-section. Waiting for the baby to show up when it decides to do so is a very organic, let nature take its course, humble thing to do and it is pretty alien to how most people live these days in developed countries. Hist…
Actually historically, we foraged and hunted. After reading Sapiens I’m convinced that farming actually set humans on the path towards this very suffering. Large scale war, famine and pretty much every post agrarian revolution ill, is a direct consequence of having food surpluses.
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#7My sister-in-law just had her first baby, and got very into all of these statistics and the "medical industrial complex take on childbirth"
I believe the WHO recommends around 10-15% of births should be C-Section in a healthy population, but the figures in first world countries are at least 3-5 times that.
There are about 3 million stories of ladies "booking in" their birth a month or three in advance. I.e. I want my baby on the 3rd of May, lets schedule a C-Section now. It's more convenient that way. Also tons of stories of doctors wanting to go home for the weekend or to play golf, so they do a C-Section after only an hour of labor so they can hurry it up.
It's horrifying that hospitals will market a "natural birth" as anything that is vaginal. i.e. it doesn't matter how many drugs they give you, it doesn't matter what drugs they give you to speed up the afterbirth, etc. etc. It's still "natural".
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#8Ok so no mention of the health implications of so called "natural" childbirth, which aren't trivial and have an increasing risk as your age. No mention of the rising age of mothers in wealthy countries. No mention of different trade offs for fit 19 year olds and less active 35 year olds. A lot of 30+ women decide they don't want to piss their pants and have painful intercourse for the rest of their lives. Word gets around and it undermines trust in doctors advice when they don't even mention the issues. A higher proportion of doctors make the c-section choice. They're kind of educated, doctors, less likely to be bullshitted into higher, unnecessary fees too.
But you're not an idiot so you want the actual numbers. So did I. Not available, no research done and/or no doctors know of it and can hand you print outs of the papers.
So much for evidence based medicine... There's an epidemic of women not just doing what they're told! FFS Lancet. How's their credibility nowadays? Taking hits?
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#9My opinion based on living with a midwife for most of my life. Not fair to blame the women for this The reason is more to do with the doctors or medical staff being cautious about complications from a normal birth than caused by the preference of a women for chosing a c section.
Re: Doctors warn of alarming C-section 'epidemic'
#10Ok so no mention of the health implications of so called "natural" childbirth, which aren't trivial and have an increasing risk as your age. No mention of the rising age of mothers in wealthy countries. No mention of different trade offs for fit 19 year olds and less active 35 year olds. A lot of 30+ women decide they don't want to piss their pants and have painful intercourse for the rest of their lives. Word gets a…
"A lot of 30+ women decide they don't want to piss their pants and have painful intercourse for the rest of their lives."
Not specifically only for those reasons, my wife always wanted a c-section birth due to the risks with vaginal birth and recovery times.