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Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Remote role with NBN, it's probably do-able!

Funnily enough I had faster/better internet on a farm at the very bottom of Tasmania (50mbps fixed wireless) than I did in an inner Melbourne suburb (ADSL2 only, walking distance to CBD). One of the weird things about the NBN roll-out was rural areas getting more attention than city suburbs.

> One of the weird things about the NBN roll-out was rural areas getting more attention than city suburbs.

In some ways that makes the possibility of getting out and working remote better, you could buy a much cheaper house and have it paid off much sooner in a nice town, if that's your bag.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Investigate Minneapolis. Winters are hard, but it is a great biking place, and has many cultural institutions that punch way above their weight. Its tech focus may be more in the direction of medical devices and commodity ag, but that's not bad. Cray Research grew up a stone's throw away, and the area still supports significant resources for the company.

Good food, too, and, despite being land-locked, lots of water activities, even within the cities (swimming beaches, boating, etc.)

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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I am sure Dallas and Houston are great places to be, but my own prerequisite for "big city life" is the ability to live comfortably without a car (and because the poster is from the Bay Area, I assumed they had something similar in mind). This doesn't just mean public transit, either, but high density architecture to eliminate the amount of time I need to spend traveling for groceries/food/coffee/social activities (s…

I think the Bay Area outside of SF is only barely qualified for a carless lifestyle, and most of it is not "big city". I lived for three years in Mountain View with only a bike, but still had to rent a car now and then. There's the Caltrain corridor (which I lived on), but if you get out into the suburbs of San Jose, Sunnyvale, etc. you pretty much need a car. Chicago is better in that regard, but Houston and Dallas…

Fair point, I don't know that the poster lives in San Francisco. But it's not the only big city in the Bay Area that works for this argument - Oakland and Berkeley with their multiple train lines would like a word about that!

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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So, in case this doesn't get completely flagged, which it should, its also dead wrong. I lived in Chicago for years, family from Chicago, so I've been coming there literally since I was born. The cost of living is low, and the idea that "major parts of the city are off limits to white people" is exactly as absurd and racist as it sounds. I worked on the south side, and am painfully white. I biked and walked around th…

Here's a few anecdotes: My wife and I on multiple occasions on the red line, or in the South Loop, River North, or museum campus, during the daytime no less, have suffered probably two dozen verbal attacks purely on the basis of race. My most memorable attack was: "die, you white ass cracka ass m f * piece of s *!" I've been everywhere between Hyde Park and Wilmette, and lakefront to Oak Park, and the racial tension…

I've had exactly one negative experience on the Green line, as I was coming home to my apartment 62nd street - a group of young men surrounded me and tried to intimidate me, clearly a casual pastime for them. I stood my ground, acted like an adult, and they left me alone. Yes, I lived on the South Side, and yes, I am white. Chicago has a storied history with racism, with many ongoing issues. But there are people constantly, constantly working on those issues - wonderful people of all races who really, really care. And things are improving. Even the University has stopped its (abhorrent) previous practice of parachute research. They've started to realize that if they'd like to keep that shiny ranking of theirs, they need to really invest in uplifting their surrounding community. Van Dyke was convicted of murder - that would have never happened in Chicago of old!

As for your most memorable attack, I have a counter, but from San Francisco. A (white) homeless man lunged from his spot on the sidewalk, got within a millimeter of my skull (I could feel his hot breath in my hair) and yelled "F*CK YOU!!" over and over again.

It was a busy street and no one stepped in to this man towering over me.

No one here cares. The homeless throw feces at tourists (I've seen it) and attempt to punch passerby (sometimes with success). No one cares. You want to talk about deplorable behavior bred out of poverty? Come to San Francisco and walk down Golden Gate and Market. I've never seen anything like this in Chicago.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

#995
Coming late to suggest something that may be a bit more from left field, Canberra - Australia.

Canberra is a small city in Australia. Designed as the nations capital it has a number of unusual characteristics such as strong town planning from its inception, high average income, low unemployment and good traffic. It is socially progressive compared to Australia and environmentally conscious.

60% of Canberra's population above 35 have at least one degree. The city has multiple significant universities, including the Australian National University - commonly ranked the best in Australia and 20th in the world by the QS rankings. The city has to actively work to recruit sufficient tradespeople.

The city is intermixed with the environment. It follows a multiple city center design which means you can be traveling down the highway in the middle of the city and not be able to see any buildings. There is considerable natural parkland throughout the city. Further afield it is two hours to the snow fields and two hours to the beach towns.

Living costs are reasonable, significantly less than the bay area, but not as low as a rural town. Canberra has ranked well in world livability reports in recent years. Being a small city there is also more choice in the costs incurred, living in the outer suburbs or outside the city significantly reduces rent but is still a very reasonable commute.

The tech industry is small but highly skilled and well paid. Most work is focused around government and military, through direct employment and service providers. Security and cloud migration work is in particular demand at the moment. The open source community is also strongly represented with groups such as IBM's OzLabs.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

#996
Ensenada in Baja California, México, there's a big expat community, there's beach, you are like 1-2 hours from San Diego, it does have a Mexico National University Unit, it hosts the baja score off road races, also there is a lot of breweries & fancy restaurants, plus, is has the same bay area timezone.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

#997

Berlin or Amsterdam would be my picks in Europe. Bangkok or KL for Asia. Austin for the US.

Since you mentioned Asia, consider Kerala, the southern most state in India. India is like Europe - even though there are lots of similarities, most states have its own language, a different culture etc. Kerala is known for it's high literacy and higher standard of living. Plus its beautiful and raw too.

I agree with Pritish. But there is Startup culture in Trivandrum and Kochi. Also, tech literacy is high in TVM and Kochi due the the tech parks.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Barcelona - one of the best all-around cities in the world (climate/culture/architecture/world proximity/quality of living/beach/mountains) and a growing tech scene. Very easy to pick up development work here for a local company, you won't be required to know Spanish/Catalan for a job. The only downsides are that the pay is relatively low (€43k average for SE) and it can be quite difficult to find a place to live wit…

Barcelona is very expensive, though

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

#999

Hi, I made a site to do just this called https://nomadlist.com . Click OPEN FILTERS and click cheap living cost ( I have collected 1,000+ of the biggest cities and am adding another 1,500 now. Let me know what you think! - Pieter

It was amazing how totally off the data was for Mexico, relative to nearly every DN I've ever met in Mexico (100+?). I just couldn't believe how far it was from my (and people I know's) experience. I guess crowd-sourced data is tricky! Once I knew Mexico was so far off, it made me trust Germany's and most other places' data a lot less.

The data is cross referenced with other cost of living and quality of life sites and rankings and is about 85% similar, either higher or lower but not much.

Lifestyles vary so your own experience can be subjective.

What data points specifically did you disagree with? I’m happy to confirm the data points and show sources.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Hi, I made a site to do just this called https://nomadlist.com . Click OPEN FILTERS and click cheap living cost ( I have collected 1,000+ of the biggest cities and am adding another 1,500 now. Let me know what you think! - Pieter

Thanks for sharing this, I really like the site a lot. I was impressed by the variety of search criteria. How do you reliably gather such disparate pieces of information?

It’s incredibly challenging. Imagine trying to collect 250-500 data points for 1000-2000 cities. And doing it consistently.

I use data sets to seed with and then crowdsourced edits by site users to add to the data.

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