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Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I'll ask what everyone is thinking but won't say. If the acceleration is in fact being caused by artificial thrusters, what kind of thruster configuration can produce prograde acceleration while maintaining the observed tumble? And why would someone engineer this configuration?

couldnt a thruster at its axis spin in the opposite direction to offset? some crude nonsense - https://i.imgur.com/8jj2hWy.png

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I am truly surprise that we don't get more interstellar visitors into our solar system. It kind shows how small our solar system is, or other way, how big the universe is.

I wouldn't be so sure we don't... Just because we don't see them with our 5 senses doesn't mean they are not here yet.

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I'll ask what everyone is thinking but won't say. If the acceleration is in fact being caused by artificial thrusters, what kind of thruster configuration can produce prograde acceleration while maintaining the observed tumble? And why would someone engineer this configuration?

> And why would someone engineer this configuration? To make its being engineered seem implausible, surely.

Because it wasn't an important project so they made the fresh put of college ME do it.

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I'm still convinced this is an alien probe. I mean look at that trajectory. 0.163 AU from Earth - what are the odds? The spinning is irrelevant surely - I mean, it's all relative, so as far as ’Oumuamua is concerned, we're spinning. Maybe it was spinning that way to stay aligned with a distant companion for communication.

How could spinning rapidly possibly help for communication? Unless this distant companion is moving at many times the speed of light in a massive ellipse. Also, as someone else mentioned, rotational motion isn't intertial, it's not just relatively different from us on Earth.

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I'm still convinced this is an alien probe. I mean look at that trajectory. 0.163 AU from Earth - what are the odds? The spinning is irrelevant surely - I mean, it's all relative, so as far as ’Oumuamua is concerned, we're spinning. Maybe it was spinning that way to stay aligned with a distant companion for communication.

> The spinning is irrelevant surely - I mean it’s all relative That is incorrect. All motion is not relative, only intertial motion is relative. Spinning implies acceleration on a body which is measurably different from any reference frame compared to a body that is not accelerating

What I meant was, the origin of the object may have been in a different inertial frame of reference to our solar system, so the 'spin' as far as it is concerned is not spin.

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I'll ask what everyone is thinking but won't say. If the acceleration is in fact being caused by artificial thrusters, what kind of thruster configuration can produce prograde acceleration while maintaining the observed tumble? And why would someone engineer this configuration?

It's maybe worth pointing out the tumbling is a hypothesis used to explain variable brightness measurements and not something that was observed directly. https://arxiv.org/pdf/1712.00437.pdf For all anyone knows the intrinsic brightness was variable. (This is probably not very likely without some supporting spectroscopic anomalies. But still.) As for thrusters - that's the same problem as the comet and outgassing hyp…

If aliens could do this to make the object look inconspicuous, then why not make it look not suspicious as well?

Someone just f'ed up the config files?

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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post #60

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> The spinning is irrelevant surely - I mean it’s all relative That is incorrect. All motion is not relative, only intertial motion is relative. Spinning implies acceleration on a body which is measurably different from any reference frame compared to a body that is not accelerating

What I meant was, the origin of the object may have been in a different inertial frame of reference to our solar system, so the 'spin' as far as it is concerned is not spin.

This is not a thing though. Spin is spin, regardless of reference.

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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This has always fascinated me. We can actually build giant spaceships (space stations) inside asteroids and use them for interstellar travel. All the resources we need, including ice would be at our disposal. Like traveling with your own mini-planet. Dirk Schulze had taken that as a subject into his sci-fiction book - Alien Encounter.

They’d make great protection from high speed space debris.

This is explored in Seveneves by Neal Stephenson.

Re: Interstellar Visitor Found to Be Unlike a Comet or an Asteroid

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I am truly surprise that we don't get more interstellar visitors into our solar system. It kind shows how small our solar system is, or other way, how big the universe is.

There's a good chance these sorts of things are whizzing past us all the time, and we're just not detecting them.

I mean, we just discovered ten new moons of Jupiter this year: http://earthsky.org/space/10-new-moons-discovered-jupiter-1-...

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