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Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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For those of you advocating for a payment model over the ad model, I want you to consider two perspectives. First, consider the people who will be denied access to information on the basis of class. People who consider it a luxury to be online at all, let alone logging on to find a paywall for basic news. Now consider the editors at the Washington Post, who now have to cater the demographic who can pay their fees. Instead of reaching billions, the Washington Post can now only reach tens of millions. Instead of providing economic opportunity to small businesses that need to advertise online to compete with larger companies, the Washington Post now has to compete just to pay it's staff writers a fair wage.

Things are never as black and white as we think they are. Privacy should be respected, but we should also respect that the internet could be much less free without advertising. We might not have the many amazing websites and services that we take for granted everyday without ad funding. Many small businesses run by entrepreneurs might never grow their bushinesses without the equalizing opportunity of online ads.

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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It's like a grocery store employee sidling up while you wait in line at the checkout, and politely asking you to put away your phone so you can examine the impulse-buy items on the racks around the checkout. They remind you that having a good grocery store in your neighborhood is important, and don't you want to support that?

More like the clerk asking you to please take your hat and sunglasses off so their CCTV facial recognition system can identify you and keep track of your movements in the store.

So WP is afraid I'll shoplift articles? Because the purpose of CCTV cameras is security, not marketing.

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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Why are different organizations taking such an affront to Firefox's tracking protection? I don't have this problem at WaPo with uBlock + uMatrix. As far as I understand it only takes effect by default in private browsing mode. I think it's more crucial than ever that everyone use adblockers and refuse to support sites that retaliate with anti-social behavior. Yes, news orgs need funding, but there's no requirement th…

I tend to agree with you. But do you have an alternative model ready? And if not, how much of the news media are you willing to let die off completely before you would relent?

100% of it. I am, however, willing to view ads for an 80% share of the revenue.

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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Why are different organizations taking such an affront to Firefox's tracking protection? I don't have this problem at WaPo with uBlock + uMatrix. As far as I understand it only takes effect by default in private browsing mode. I think it's more crucial than ever that everyone use adblockers and refuse to support sites that retaliate with anti-social behavior. Yes, news orgs need funding, but there's no requirement th…

I tend to agree with you. But do you have an alternative model ready? And if not, how much of the news media are you willing to let die off completely before you would relent?

How about Jeff Bezos pays out of pocket?

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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For those of you advocating for a payment model over the ad model, I want you to consider two perspectives. First, consider the people who will be denied access to information on the basis of class. People who consider it a luxury to be online at all, let alone logging on to find a paywall for basic news. Now consider the editors at the Washington Post, who now have to cater the demographic who can pay their fees. In…

> First, consider the people who will be denied access to information on the basis of class. People who consider it a luxury to be online at all, let alone logging on to find a paywall for basic news.

I am confused. Haven't (good) newspapers been paid products for a long time? Whats different about the internet version of newspapers?

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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I agree that news outlets serve an important function. That's exactly why it is especially disheartening to see them turn into organs of surveillance capitalism. Regardless, if you attempt to extort me with a choice between privacy or an uninformed populace, I'll happily share my view on where exactly you can stick that and spin. There are decent media outlets doing good work out there who can report and respect thei…

Has reading national news or keeping up with politics ever benefit you in a real life scenario? If so, in what way? Also, what do you think of Chomsky's 'Manufacturing Consent'?

Agree with you mostly, though on occasion it's nice to know if my taxes are increasing or decreasing soon, and where most people in my country stand on "Merry Christmas" vs "season's greetings" (whatever that means).

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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The problem is the payment model is broken. I'm not going to subscribe to a site that I only want to read a single article. We need a way to pay a few cents to read an article, ad and tracker free.

Ads and tracking are honestly just fine and a perfectly good compromise. Fears over them are greatly exaggerated.

There's the overall creepiness of hordes of data containing your entire online history being used for the sole purpose of predicting what you'll buy and manipulating you into buying it.

But I think there's more to it than that:

It's customary in trade to not have hidden costs or unintended consequences of using your product, anything otherwise is dishonest. And insisting a product is "free" while having hidden schemes to extract value from customers is scam-y.

Then to say ad-hoc that its a "fair compromise"... but if it was a "good deal" why not be upfront about it, why try to hide it? "You should've read the EULA." Well, a bet a bunch of people being targeted/tracked by Google & Facebook are children, many too young to consent, some maybe even too young to even read...

Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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Any time a site asks me to disable tracking protection, it has the curious effect of reinforcing my desire to leave it enabled - that site has made it clear that they are intentionally and unapologetically violating my privacy for a quick buck.

It's like a grocery store employee sidling up while you wait in line at the checkout, and politely asking you to put away your phone so you can examine the impulse-buy items on the racks around the checkout. They remind you that having a good grocery store in your neighborhood is important, and don't you want to support that?

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Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like a grocery store employee sidling up while you wait in line at the checkout, and politely asking you to put away your phone so you can examine the impulse-buy items on the racks around the checkout. They remind you that having a good grocery store in your neighborhood is important, and don't you want to support that?

More like the clerk asking you to please take your hat and sunglasses off so their CCTV facial recognition system can identify you and keep track of your movements in the store.

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Re: Tell HN: Now Washington Post is asking to turn off Firefox's tracking protection

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like the clerk asking you to please take your hat and sunglasses off so their CCTV facial recognition system can identify you and keep track of your movements in the store.

So WP is afraid I'll shoplift articles? Because the purpose of CCTV cameras is security, not marketing.

I think the gp’s point was an analogy, not actually what is being used.
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