Naming Names, Turks Turn Up Heat on Saudis in Consulate Case

Post by psergeant » Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 8:45 AM UTC

arkitaip wrote: post #7

psergeant wrote: post #3

Feels like they may be taking a leaf out of the Russo-Skripal handbook here, and making barely any effort to cover their tracks as a show of brazeness to other potential defectors/dissidents. Guessing some fallen-from-favour minor Saud is going to take the fall to keep things smooth between the two countries.

It was incredibly stupid of them to commit the murder at the embassy. It totally removes plausible deniability and draws unnecessary attention to their embassy. They knew his schedule and could have performed the assassination shortly before or after the embassy visit and still be able to intimidate their enemies. Another thing Khashoggi's murder highlights: it's becoming increasingly difficult for intelligence servi…

Post by lostlogin » Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 5:22 PM UTC

psergeant wrote: post #12

lostlogin wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are obvious examples of this and you may be entirely correct, but does this apply to countries that aren’t dictatorships or similar? Israel, China, USA, Britain, France, Germany, Italy et al seem to be doing ok at keeping their dirty work quiet, or am I just missing the news? It seems unlikely that they all have clean hands.

I think killing a political dissident in another country that’s not actively at war is considered a bit beyond the pale by most democracies, doubly so if you’re putatively on good terms with them. Mossad, alternatively: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-... — although the victim was far from either a dissident or turncoat.

Post by markoman » Thu, Oct 11, 2018, 7:29 PM UTC

steve19 wrote: post #6

> "Western intelligence agencies have generally regarded their Turkish counterparts as reliable on domestic matters." I struggle to believe the author wrote this with a straight face. Are these the same reliable intelligence services that just help purged half the Army officer corps, Judiciary and Turkey's teachers because they are conspiring with a religious leader in the USA? [0] I am quite sure they would point fi…