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Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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I thought about it , but those came about recently, when cigarettes are known as an active health hazard. So it's more like a health product. We are not yet at the point that tech addiction is considered a health hazard, and imho it will never be, because tech adapts, evolves and improves productivity, and at any give point tech-less life will be a poorer alternative.

Tech is absolutely a health hazard. Driving while texting is measurably as dangerous as driving drunk. It kills people.

Modern Infotainment systems is cars, where you can replicate your entire phone screen on front console or may be Heads-Up display can cause severe driver distraction.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Tech is absolutely a health hazard. Driving while texting is measurably as dangerous as driving drunk. It kills people.

Not that you're wrong, but doing anything while driving, besides driving, is a health hazard, so I'm not sure that's a great example.

It's a great example, because it's actually measurably affecting accident rates.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Having worked on a product for 3 years that attempts to target this market I can tell you the sad reality, is that nobody really cares. Sure, there are clickbait headlines and companies/parents will feign interest, but when it comes to actually paying for a product or making any tangible change to usage habits, our numbers prove that nobody even tries. For full disclosure our product turns the Internet off until they…

Did you ever try to go directly to insurance companies and pitch to offer your service through them?

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Having worked on a product for 3 years that attempts to target this market I can tell you the sad reality, is that nobody really cares. Sure, there are clickbait headlines and companies/parents will feign interest, but when it comes to actually paying for a product or making any tangible change to usage habits, our numbers prove that nobody even tries. For full disclosure our product turns the Internet off until they…

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Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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> The real answer to solving technology addiction is the answer to sustainably solving most problems: innovation spurred by capitalism. A new group of businesses needs to emerge that gives us the choice to help ourselves and rediscover the benefits of disconnection. > Dieting may be the most helpful analogy here. In the US, many of us have poor diets either on occasion or frequently. Few of us have the discipline to…

> The tool that has been effective at getting a large number of people to make choices that favor long-term outcomes over short-term ones is culture. I'm not sure about that. Seems like most developed countries, with all their different cultures, are following the obesity trend. Obesity became more accepted after it got more common (because shaming every obese person became non-viable), it seems, not the other way ar…

> Seems like most developed countries, with all their different cultures, are following the obesity trend.

Well, sure. But I don't think it's useful to compare obesity in one country that has a surplus of easily available food with other countries that don't.

Hypothermia is rare in Samoa, but I don't think Sweden can learn much from them about that fact.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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> The real answer to solving technology addiction is the answer to sustainably solving most problems: innovation spurred by capitalism. A new group of businesses needs to emerge that gives us the choice to help ourselves and rediscover the benefits of disconnection. > Dieting may be the most helpful analogy here. In the US, many of us have poor diets either on occasion or frequently. Few of us have the discipline to…

> Arguing that we should let unfettered capitalism solve tech addition like it's solved obesity is... I don't even know how to finish that sentence it's such an inane fly-in-the-face-of-reality statement.

The Hollywood trope of needing to hire a thief to catch a thief is a strong one, but there's also a reason for that.

> The tool that has been effective at getting a large number of people to make choices that favor long-term outcomes over short-term ones is culture. ... Cigarette use has cut in half over the past fifty years. That didn't happen because tobacco startups invented innovative technology, and it didn't happen because we outlawed them.

This is correct, but maybe overstated.

Would it be too much to suggest that part of what contributed to the decline in the use of tobacco was the emergence of a competing substitute that worked better? You can almost directly correlate the slow decline of smoking culture with the slow emergence of coffee culture. It was easier for society to move from one stimulant that helped you get work done and had a social component in exchange for another that offered similar benefits than to simply abandon it.

It's not like coffee killed nicotine or caused it to decline, but the market did provide substitute experiences which I'd argue contributed to getting smoking down to the level that it is today, even if individual consumers didn't consciously look at it that way. Culture doesn't emerge entirely independently of market forces, there is a complex interplay between cultural developments exposing market opportunities, and the market discovering and enabling cultural expression. E-cigarettes are now further chipping away at the market for combustible tobacco, by providing a more precise substitute to the holdouts. The same can be said for the astonishing success of smokeless tobacco in Scandinavian countries (look up "snus"). Our culture is pushing back against the lack of hygiene around digital devices, and there are a lot of opportunities to engage with that culture as a business person, some of them could be totally orthogonal and it could take entrepreneurs to risk capital in testing some of them out.

Obesity isn't worse than it has ever been; it seems to have peaked in the US and has been declining for the last few years. A lot of the $66B spent on weight-loss is wasted, but this is usually how markets work, and the search space for solutions to a complicated problem can be large and can seem wasteful until previously unrecognized solutions become more widely adopted. The US market (both in commerce and ideas) has innovated like crazy in fitness and food culture over the last 2 decades to the point where it is almost unrecognizable. The cultural shift represented in cooking shows, Michael Pollan, farmer's markets, and shopping at Trader Joe's/Whole Foods, are probably having a slow but larger positive effect on obesity than a lot of snake oil out there – but a lot of failed approaches have also been discarded along the way, and the culture that develops around that and counteracts against obesity requires the failed approaches to develop. Is the emergence of athleisure like Lululemon as the dominant fashion trend and the culture and marketing around in the last decade culture? Or is it actually part of the market solution to obesity? It's not easy to disentangle.

Anyway, apologies for the long and late reply. I had your comment open in a tab from yesterday and thought you made a very compelling point, and felt compelled to add my thoughts while relaxing over a 3rd wave coffee instead of a cigarette.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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The idea that you can “fix” or “solve” software addiction with more software is silly to me. First, This requires users to setup this software. Then, there is nothing stopping them from working around or disabling it at anytime. If the software can’t be disabled then the user will switch to another product. If someone is really trying to curtail their software addiction, actual dedication will be required, not just t…

You position sounds incredible uncreative to me. The article says "we need people working on that". Your response is "blocking won't work, thus software can't help". Someone else already commented that it might does, indeed. But I'd expect there to be way more stuff that might help. Just one thought on the spot: look at fitness or weight loss helpers. They use tons of psychological tricks to motivate you. Tracking al…

My point isn’t that blocking won’t work, it’s that any software solution provided probably won’t work for most people because it’s too easy to quit with no accountability and then because it won’t work for most people, Apple and Google have every incentive to implement it in their operating systems (which they are already doing) and your business is gone

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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actually improving our house has proven even more enjoyable Plus you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor. That was what completely killed my interest in any amount of game grind- it hit me mid-game that if I spent that time grinding my actual corporeal self, I'd have something to show for it after. I've since improved my AeT mile pace (your "all-day" level) from around 15:00 to 10:00ish. (My dream/goal is to get to…

> That was what completely killed my interest in any amount of game grind- it hit me mid-game that if I spent that time grinding my actual corporeal self, I'd have something to show for it after. I wish I could relate to this. IRL grinding seems hilariously inefficient and unreliable, which I think is why people enjoy their gaming grinds so much.

Unreliable? It's a lot harder, and a lot slower, but if you learn the ropes & train your body you will get faster/stronger/whatever.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Not that you're wrong, but doing anything while driving, besides driving, is a health hazard, so I'm not sure that's a great example.

It's a great example, because it's actually measurably affecting accident rates.

Yeah, but: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/eating-driving-80-car-ac...

But then on the other hand: http://www.governing.com/topics/transportation-infrastructur...

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

actually improving our house has proven even more enjoyable Plus you get to enjoy the fruits of your labor. That was what completely killed my interest in any amount of game grind- it hit me mid-game that if I spent that time grinding my actual corporeal self, I'd have something to show for it after. I've since improved my AeT mile pace (your "all-day" level) from around 15:00 to 10:00ish. (My dream/goal is to get to…

This is exactly my experience. It probably helped that I did just enough game design to be acutely aware of even less-obvious time sink mechanisms, but I don't think it was an essential feature of what changed. Even simple puzzle games and other things that aren't manipulative started to pale in the face of the realization that "hey, I could go fix a broken shelf or read a book or exercise and get a lasting benefit".…

I generally only read fiction, so I see video games and books as being in the same category: They're great for relaxation and entertainment, and occasionally bring a new plot or idea, but generally not nearly as useful as fixing or making things.

And that's okay. But getting myself to believe that was okay took some doing. I struggled with it for years before I finally found a good balance that didn't make me think I should be more production instead of relaxing.

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