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Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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I am saying that these devices can cause issues for normal poeple who don't have other severe issues. Do you disagree with this statement? For those people, the device itself, and the relationship with the device, is the place to look when trying to improve the situation. There is also an issue of practicality here. Even for people with significant issues that need to be addressed, it may be practical to do things li…

re: "I am saying that these devices can cause issues for normal poeple who don't have other severe issues." Yes. But don't you see the irony in that statement? How "normal" can you be if a device and a few swipes "makes" you into something else? Sure, maybe without the device you could bottle it up? But for how long? And at what cost? Where does that "energy" go (to other bad habits)? If what you said was true then E…

> Yes. But don't you see the irony in that statement? How "normal" can you be if a device and a few swipes "makes" you into something else?

Your depiction doesn't match common usage of smartphones -- people check them 150+ times per day, and saying "it's just a swipe" is meaningless. But regardless, why don't we sample the population and find out? It's my understanding that the current scientific consensus is that modern media and tech is having noticeable adverse effects on individual well-being and social relationships. If this is not the case, I would like to know!

I don't see any irony. There are inherent difficulties involved in being human... I wouldn't find it surprising if regular people are susceptible to sophisticated tech that takes advantage of cognitive characteristics to maximize time in app purely for advertising dollars, and that this may have adverse affects.

> If what you said was true then EVERYONE would have this problem.

This may be true, to varying degrees. This is something we need to research and take seriously.

I think there are many amazing, good things about modern technology and even social media. But we shouldn't turn a blind eye to potential negatives or blame completely normal individuals for being affected by these massive, unprecedented changes.

> But it's bigger than just these devices, and simply blaming the devices is not going to help solve for the root.

I agree there are many factors here, and I was not saying we should ignore all the other factors.

By the way, I'm not proposing any specific remedies, if you are worried about that. That is a different conversation.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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1) How can a business model be created whose incentives align with their customers in the addiction-treatment market? Curing addicts permanently means losing customers. Ineffective treatment could mean repeat customers and therefore more business. How do existing rehab centers handle this conflict of interests?

2) Personal Anecdote. There's no way I can stop using the internet right now and keep my livelihood, but I've had some success over the last week cutting my reddit usage down to 0 non-productive minutes.

Every time I navigate to reddit, unless it is very explicitly work-related, I close the tab immediately and log the incident in a spreadsheet. The spreadsheet records date, time, duration, how I got there, and (most importantly) what I'm going to work on instead.

This is my second time quitting reddit. The first time was cold-turkey with no process, lasted over a year before I got sucked back in via the subreddits. This method gives me more a feeling of control and forces me to be mindful of my usage.

Wish me luck.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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In my own experience struggling with addiction I've found that it is a symptom rather than a cause. Once you craft a life that is actually stimulating the tech loses its hold over you pretty quickly, if not instantly (for example when you go on a weekend outing in nature and completely forget your phone). Of course, the time and energy wasted due to the dysfunctional behavior presents a chicken-and-egg roadblock agai…

This is absolutely my experience with alcohol. A lot of the time, though, we have to quit dysfunctional behavior before we can identify what functional behavior looks like. I totally agree with you that there is a chicken and egg problem. My typical advice for folks is to quit the behavior completely: you're correct in identifying how blocking tools cause their own problems and just mimic the same addictive behavior.…

> but I still have to play a shit-ton of scales on guitar and piano and about an hour of yoga or I get weird.

Found this very refreshing. I think 'eccentricity as medicine' may be a component missing from modern mental health treatment. Seems like the societal pressure to 'not seem weird' could exacerbate mental illness and stress. Perhaps if people with behavioral dysfunctions were encouraged not to "act normal" but "act weird in productive ways" it could be beneficial.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said it was useless to try and overcome addiction. However, we know that is useless and wasteful to treat a symptom of addiction as if it was a disease - milquetoast penny pragmatism notwithstanding.

Thanks for your reply. I wonder whether this next would be considered by you as merely treating the symptom of addiction: Joe notices that most of the time he spend on the web is wasted time. So he cancels his home internet connection and relies on his connection at work to get done everything that needs to get done on the web. For example, at work he downloads movies and TV shows from the iTunes Movie Store (or what…

If it was that easy for Joe, he wasn't addicted, and it was his integrated recognition of the problem, and not the ritual he imposed as a result, that substantiated the change.

If he was, he found something else to replace it, and is no better off.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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I wouldn't say I am "addicted" to tech more than most people my age (26) but I was using my phone a lot more than I liked so I have taken some steps lately. The early results are encouraging that you can in fact use software to control yourself (no particular order).

Here are some things I did and the results.

1. Hacker News "noprocrast" setting. This is something underrated in HN, but I have set it so I can only visit every 6 hours and that my session can only be 20m long. That basically means one visit per day. I find myself not going on as much because I am "saving" my one visit for later.

2. Android "Digital Wellbeing" timers. I set a timer on my phone to limit me to 1hr of Google Chrome per day. This is my #1 most-used app. The first few days I was always hitting my limit. After a week or two my brain subconsciously started knowing about the limit and now my natural usage is 3. Work Profile + Do Not Disturb + Grayscale. At night my phone goes full grayscale and turns off all non-urgent notifications. My work profile also turns off. The combination of these three things makes me much less likely to engage after 9pm and get ready to wind down for bed.

4. I made an app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.habosa.not...) that helps me take control of notifications. Instead of blocking them, the app puts them in an inbox-like format. I can check them all at the end of the day without missing them entirely or letting them bother me at work. I do this for apps like NYTimes that surface interesting things but that I don't need to know about urgently.

Overall I am seeing a lot of progress! I find myself more able to, for instance, wait for the bus without playing on my phone. Hopefully over time I'll get better and better.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Having worked on a product for 3 years that attempts to target this market I can tell you the sad reality, is that nobody really cares. Sure, there are clickbait headlines and companies/parents will feign interest, but when it comes to actually paying for a product or making any tangible change to usage habits, our numbers prove that nobody even tries. For full disclosure our product turns the Internet off until they…

Maybe your product worked too well, and people don't actually want to change their behavior. They just feel like they should. Same with eating right or exercising.

FWIW apps for doing those things work really well.

I've lost weight with a phone app. I never could have done Weightwatchers or something like that before.

Also fitness apps are great in gamifying exercise a bit. Again another app has really helped me.

Actually gamifying good habits might help more than trying to remove bad habits with an app which might be the issue with apps to try and reduce digital addiction.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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> Dieting may be the most helpful analogy here. In the US, many of us have poor diets either on occasion or frequently. Few of us have the discipline to eat well for long periods of time to optimize our health. When we gain too much weight, we pay for a personal trainer or a diet program or a book or an app to get us back on track. I agree that food could a useful analogy, but I thought the consensus was that diets d…

Diet in this sense might be different.

If you want to gain weight, you'd have to change your diet to eating more for a specific period. Vice versa for losing it.

If you want to change the way you eat, that's not to diet - that requires a lifestyle change in the way you see food. Meaning, you have to discipline yourself to eat well for life (generally).

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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The idea that you can “fix” or “solve” software addiction with more software is silly to me. First, This requires users to setup this software. Then, there is nothing stopping them from working around or disabling it at anytime. If the software can’t be disabled then the user will switch to another product. If someone is really trying to curtail their software addiction, actual dedication will be required, not just t…

> Then, there is nothing stopping them from working around or disabling it at anytime.

Sure. But I think there's a bit of false dichotomy in this comment: you're either free or addicted with no control. There's a whole spectrum of behaviours. I do sometimes sink more time than I'd like into some service, and blocker apps solve that issue for me. Even a reminder: "do you really want to do this" would be enough in some cases. People I know have also been happy with a Facebook app blocker that monitors usage time.

You can uninstall all of that, but none of the people I'm taking about are completely out of control - just want to improve our lives.

If someone's literally addicted with no self control, that's a completely different issue though.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Having worked on a product for 3 years that attempts to target this market I can tell you the sad reality, is that nobody really cares. Sure, there are clickbait headlines and companies/parents will feign interest, but when it comes to actually paying for a product or making any tangible change to usage habits, our numbers prove that nobody even tries. For full disclosure our product turns the Internet off until they…

Isn't is partially an issue of oversaturation? If I search for an app/website blocker, I'll find lots of different, free solutions. (Both apps and browser plugins) I'm using the same ones for a few years now. If anyone new joins that segment, how would they get popular?

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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I thought about it , but those came about recently, when cigarettes are known as an active health hazard. So it's more like a health product. We are not yet at the point that tech addiction is considered a health hazard, and imho it will never be, because tech adapts, evolves and improves productivity, and at any give point tech-less life will be a poorer alternative.

Tech is absolutely a health hazard. Driving while texting is measurably as dangerous as driving drunk. It kills people.

Not that you're wrong, but doing anything while driving, besides driving, is a health hazard, so I'm not sure that's a great example.
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