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Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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In my own experience struggling with addiction I've found that it is a symptom rather than a cause. Once you craft a life that is actually stimulating the tech loses its hold over you pretty quickly, if not instantly (for example when you go on a weekend outing in nature and completely forget your phone). Of course, the time and energy wasted due to the dysfunctional behavior presents a chicken-and-egg roadblock agai…

This is what I've realized about myself and addition. I get into new things fast and tend to over commit or over indulge early on and once I realize it pull back. I've got it under control now because I realized my excessive drinking or drug usage was in large part because I was bored. Shit television or movies are much more entertaining when drunk or high. Social engagements that are not mentally stimulating to me a…

> I realize I'm just one data point but I think a lot of people use their vices to stave off boredom and make a life that is not all that interesting, interesting.

It increasingly looks to me like the problem with vices like this (anything from Facebook to pot) is exactly what you describe.

Too often, we talk about them like they ruin people's lives directly. There are a hundred thinkpieces taking correlations like "men who work shorter hours play more games" or "unhappiness is correlated with Facebook use" and concluding "therefore games drive you to not work and social media makes you unhappy!" But we're not talking about things with physical mechanisms or direct brain-chemical impacts here, and I wouldn't expect all the Skinner Box design in the world to make "flashy lights on a screen" more compelling than a tasty dinner or a good hug.

Rather, social media, games, or endless Reddit scrolling slot all too easily into downtime and unsatisfying situations. My experience with them has always been that of a mild sedative; they create a tolerable baseline state for what might otherwise be intolerable situations. (I think the analogy to drinking prior to a crap TV show or a boring event is a great one. It's not alcohol addiction or abuse in any standard sense, but it's still alcohol legitimizing some other bad situation.)

That can still make tech a problem inasmuch as it stops people from breaking out of those situations. But if the situation is externally imposed then it's playing a positive role, and if the situation can be broken with an offering tech doesn't interfere with then it's not playing a negative role. I do think there are people who would benefit from cutting back on tech, and I think we underestimate the impact of push notifications and instant focus switching on our attention. But I also think we neglect a lot of cases where tech is a palliative for some other problem we would be better off attacking directly.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Not relevant, since the fundamental issues still aren't being addressed. By and large, dysfunction will just find a different way to manifest itself. Moreover, treating the symptom without treating the disease will be an inordinate struggle until the underlying issues are understood, processed and addressed. This will leave most of the afflicted no better off, and in some ways, significantly worse for the failed effo…

Recovering mental health usually takes years. The sufferer or people who care about the sufferer have to learn enough to solve the problem. They must free themselves from false beliefs and keep trying things till they find something that works. Addiction is an obstacle to learning and (more generally) to making progress in life because a large fraction of one's potentially-productive time gets absorbed by the addicti…

I never said it was useless to try and overcome addiction.

However, we know that is useless and wasteful to treat a symptom of addiction as if it was a disease - milquetoast penny pragmatism notwithstanding.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Having worked on a product for 3 years that attempts to target this market I can tell you the sad reality, is that nobody really cares. Sure, there are clickbait headlines and companies/parents will feign interest, but when it comes to actually paying for a product or making any tangible change to usage habits, our numbers prove that nobody even tries. For full disclosure our product turns the Internet off until they…

It turns the internet off until the child commits to GitHub? Righhhhhht then. Do they get extra internet time after estimating their Jira tasks too?

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Many of the tech startups currently are platforms to connect people to services - like psychiatrists.

So directory services? Great, but then they have nothing to do with the actual healthcare, so your original comment on private market care doesn't apply.

Sorry but I don't understand how my comment on the private market doesn't apply? I think there is definitely difficulty in seeing the underlying aspects of where innovation comes from, mainly because the "lowest hanging fruit" is what will get investment money first, and part of that lowest hanging fruit will scale quickly too - meaning it'll be what gets the most mainstream exposure - so that can skew people's view about private vs. public.

Do you have much experience personally dealing with healthcare systems to reference?

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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I've been one of those people who have had the unfortunate luck to have a computer with parental- or time controls. It pretty much only shifted my screen usage to other devices e.g. TV and got me into cybersec because I wanted a way around those restrictions.

Well, if it got you inti cybersec then it worked exactly as intended!

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Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recovering mental health usually takes years. The sufferer or people who care about the sufferer have to learn enough to solve the problem. They must free themselves from false beliefs and keep trying things till they find something that works. Addiction is an obstacle to learning and (more generally) to making progress in life because a large fraction of one's potentially-productive time gets absorbed by the addicti…

I never said it was useless to try and overcome addiction. However, we know that is useless and wasteful to treat a symptom of addiction as if it was a disease - milquetoast penny pragmatism notwithstanding.

Thanks for your reply.

I wonder whether this next would be considered by you as merely treating the symptom of addiction:

Joe notices that most of the time he spend on the web is wasted time. So he cancels his home internet connection and relies on his connection at work to get done everything that needs to get done on the web. For example, at work he downloads movies and TV shows from the iTunes Movie Store (or whatever they're calling it now) onto his MacBook for watching at home. (or he uses youtube-dl to download Youtube and Daily Motion videos.)

Is that in your opinion uselessly treating a symptom of addiction?

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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> Dieting may be the most helpful analogy here. In the US, many of us have poor diets either on occasion or frequently. Few of us have the discipline to eat well for long periods of time to optimize our health. When we gain too much weight, we pay for a personal trainer or a diet program or a book or an app to get us back on track.

I agree that food could a useful analogy, but I thought the consensus was that diets don't (in general) work. Paying for a personal trainer isn't scalable, and I don't see creating a job as a Personal Anti-Technologist as a salable solution.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

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Having worked on a product for 3 years that attempts to target this market I can tell you the sad reality, is that nobody really cares. Sure, there are clickbait headlines and companies/parents will feign interest, but when it comes to actually paying for a product or making any tangible change to usage habits, our numbers prove that nobody even tries. For full disclosure our product turns the Internet off until they…

Maybe you are just too early. I think I actually know your product and I bookmarked it with the intent of setting it up. The too technical part was kind of true despite me taking on many technical challenges of this nature - Bitcoin in 2011 being one of them. However, the friction here versus the age of my kids requirement didn't line up - but I expect it will in about 3 years when they are a little older. Maybe just keep the wheels turning for a fews years.

Re: Solving Tech Addiction Is an Underappreciated Market Opportunity

#200
The idea that you can “fix” or “solve” software addiction with more software is silly to me.

First, This requires users to setup this software. Then, there is nothing stopping them from working around or disabling it at anytime. If the software can’t be disabled then the user will switch to another product.

If someone is really trying to curtail their software addiction, actual dedication will be required, not just the activation of some tool that they can easily disable with a few taps.

And because these tools will likely not work for the majority of people, Apple and Google have every incentive to incorporate them into their operating systems and gobble up the market share (which they are already doing in their latest operating systems).

A more traditional and therapeutic approach to the problem makes more sense to me, though it won’t scale well and the market doesn’t seem very big

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