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Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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Does Intel really think this approach is good for them? As a technical person, all I see is a company in trouble with products they need to lie about. This goes beyond market speak - it's deceptive.

The people who won't be fooled by this are likely the customers who are interested in the actual 10% difference for the high end and likely want this chip anyway.

Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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In text form: https://www.techspot.com/article/1722-misleading-core-i9-990...

This article says that Techspot has obtained the 9900 (without being bound by an NDA, as others are), and that Intel is releasing misleading results while other reviewers are bound by an NDA, but that Techspot is not going to show their own benchmarks--which could refute the misleading results Intel has authorized for public release--out of a sense of "professionalism."

Actually, any "professional" journalism outfit would show the public the newsworthy results, not withhold this information from readers because of a desire not to piss off industry contacts.

Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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Preorders for the 9900K are 578$ USD. For that you can get a Ryzen 2700X, a nice motherboard and a 256GB SSD. Performance delta shouldn't be more than 15% deficit for the Ryzen for a few specific games.

If you have a program that uses AVX instructions much the delta will hit ~2x

Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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Preorders for the 9900K are 578$ USD. For that you can get a Ryzen 2700X, a nice motherboard and a 256GB SSD. Performance delta shouldn't be more than 15% deficit for the Ryzen for a few specific games.

Keep seeing this 'delta' word. From context it is basically like 'difference'. But is there a delta between difference and delta?

'difference' can be subjective, 'delta' is a measurement of an amount of difference.

Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep seeing this 'delta' word. From context it is basically like 'difference'. But is there a delta between difference and delta?

Delta makes you sound smarter.

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Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep seeing this 'delta' word. From context it is basically like 'difference'. But is there a delta between difference and delta?

Delta makes you sound smarter.

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Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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post #11

Does Intel really think this approach is good for them? As a technical person, all I see is a company in trouble with products they need to lie about. This goes beyond market speak - it's deceptive.

The people who won't be fooled by this are likely the customers who are interested in the actual 10% difference for the high end and likely want this chip anyway.

I'm not sure about that.

At $499, the i9-9900k is almost competing against the 12-core Threadripper 2920x ($649, 12-core/24-threads, 4.4GHz clock, 60 PCIe lanes, quad-memory channels).

I think most people will find more use out of +4 cores (granted, on a NUMA platform) than higher clocks. Cores for compiling code, rendering, video editing, etc. etc.

Pretty much only gamers want +Clock speeds, and more and more games actually use all-cores these days (Doom, Battlefield, etc. etc.)

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That's the thing. The i9-9900k isn't even a "high end chip" anymore. Its at best, "highest of the mid-range" since the HEDT category (AMD Threadripper, or Intel-X) has been invented.

Once you start getting into 8-cores/16 threads, I start to worry about dual-memory channels and 16x PCIe lanes + 4GB/s DMI to the Southbridge. Its getting harder and harder to "feed the beast". A more balanced HEDT system (like Threadripper's quad-memory channels + 60PCIe lanes) just makes more sense.

Re: Intel's New Low: Commissioning Misleading Core I9-9900K Benchmarks [video]

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In text form: https://www.techspot.com/article/1722-misleading-core-i9-990...

This article says that Techspot has obtained the 9900 (without being bound by an NDA, as others are), and that Intel is releasing misleading results while other reviewers are bound by an NDA, but that Techspot is not going to show their own benchmarks--which could refute the misleading results Intel has authorized for public release--out of a sense of "professionalism." Actually , any "professional" journalism outfit…

What's the use in releasing the 9900k results? The thesis of the article is that Principled Technologies biased the results, and they've shown that with the ryzen vs 8700k results.
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