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Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by crunchlibrarian »

floatingatoll wrote: post #16
farnsworth wrote: post #12

Anyone know what product she's referring to?

Dear HN, This post goes out of its way to avoid naming the site in question. If you know the answer to the above question, think carefully before providing that name here or anywhere. Ask yourself how invoking their name specifically contributes value to this story. Ask yourself why you consider it right to shame them by name, when OP did not consider it right to do so. If you can’t think of a reason that positively…

You can't "dox" a company by calling them out for lying and incompetence. Rachel simply does not want to get sued. This isn't some virtuous moral high ground you're standing on, stop pretending otherwise.

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by corey_moncure »

ex3xu wrote: post #38

Another even more egregious example -- around 10 or so years ago, I was a big proponent of the writing website Urbis. It was a site where you could submit a piece of writing and get feedback from other users. You can still see its activity on the Wayback Machine. It was an interesting site still without equal as far as I can tell. From what I understand, one day, the creator decided that the site wasn't making him an…

Did you at least get your money back?

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by burkaman »

twojerbs wrote: post #47
burkaman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really need to find a new job. I don't know anyone who works for a company like you describe. Just ask questions like "How long have you worked here?" and "How do you handle tasks that run over their time estimates?" during interviews.

I have two full-time jobs like he described

Why?

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by nkrisc »

floatingatoll wrote: post #42
nkrisc wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain to me how a corporation can be "doxxed", because I don't understand how that's possible.

Sure thing. The framing of your reply hinges on an unstated assertion: “It is always ‘right’ to name and shame a corporation.” I contradict that assertion in my plea, which results instead in this assumption: “Consider the ethics of the situation before naming and shaming a corporation.” Having laid out that, I will next address the literal question asked: “doxxed”, as you correctly identified when forming your reply…

It does, but I don't see how an entity such as a corporation can be "shamed." A corporation is not capable of feeling shame. The individuals who work there can, but no one is asking for any individual to be named. I suppose it could said those who work there might be indirectly shamed by association, but that's a stretch.

Therefore I don't see how there's any issue in naming a corporation for their role in a situation that affected customers/users in an adverse way. Particularly since no users are bring identified either.

In short, no real people are being doxxed and while a corporation might have some legal entitlements (none which apply here), it has no expectation of privacy.

Let's stop treating corporations as if they were somehow people. If Rachel doesn't want to share the company that's fine, I'm sure she has her reasons, but that doesn't mean it's unethical for us to know.

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by brennebeck »

tetrazine wrote: post #19
floatingatoll wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear HN, This post goes out of its way to avoid naming the site in question. If you know the answer to the above question, think carefully before providing that name here or anywhere. Ask yourself how invoking their name specifically contributes value to this story. Ask yourself why you consider it right to shame them by name, when OP did not consider it right to do so. If you can’t think of a reason that positively…

Hmmm. Inclined to agree if you replace the company in this argument with a person. Very disinclined in actuality, since this is a company providing a service to people who have handed over custody of their personal data (It sounds like very high-value data! Cooking videos aren't easy to make!) under the assumption that they will get something out of the deal, i.e., the videos would be hosted and they would be warned…

Yeah, generally agree with all this. I don’t think we need to shame them, as the gp initially mentions. But I personally have an interest in understanding the exact issue, seeing the response, etc. I.e. I believe there’s value in knowing the company, the actual incident, and so on.

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by anigbrowl »

Add to this youTube's annoying habit of leaving placeholders for deleted videos in my playlists but not telling me what it is that got removed, thus preventing me from ever finding it again. I fail to see what purpose is served by deleting the metadata as well as the possibly-copyright-infringing content.

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by sbuttgereit »

floatingatoll wrote: post #16
farnsworth wrote: post #12

Anyone know what product she's referring to?

Dear HN, This post goes out of its way to avoid naming the site in question. If you know the answer to the above question, think carefully before providing that name here or anywhere. Ask yourself how invoking their name specifically contributes value to this story. Ask yourself why you consider it right to shame them by name, when OP did not consider it right to do so. If you can’t think of a reason that positively…

I agree with you in general, but the other problem with the post that you're responding to is that it's likely to elicit guesses... and guesses in the guise of knowledge... some of which may be wrong.

Discussion like this that try to "name names" can result in people making assumptions about others (be they people or companies) that could very well be unjustified.

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by leetcrew »

corey_moncure wrote: post #53
ex3xu wrote: post #38

Another even more egregious example -- around 10 or so years ago, I was a big proponent of the writing website Urbis. It was a site where you could submit a piece of writing and get feedback from other users. You can still see its activity on the Wayback Machine. It was an interesting site still without equal as far as I can tell. From what I understand, one day, the creator decided that the site wasn't making him an…

Did you at least get your money back?

i'm assuming it was an ad supported service.

Re: Disappearing videos and disappointed grandmothers

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Post by chocolatkey »

anigbrowl wrote: post #57

Add to this youTube's annoying habit of leaving placeholders for deleted videos in my playlists but not telling me what it is that got removed, thus preventing me from ever finding it again. I fail to see what purpose is served by deleting the metadata as well as the possibly-copyright-infringing content.

Yes! If it at least said "xyz was removed due to a copyright claim by abc", but no, instead there are just blank spaces in the playlist. I leave them there on hope of this feature someday being added.
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