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> Doing the right thing — not what’s profitable or power enhancing — isn’t what business is about. If only society / the global economic system wasn't set up to incentive profit over all else....
It's the other way around -- if only we didn't expect the economic system to serve every social need. Business and the economy are doing what they are supposed to do. It's our expectations that are out of line.
Tech Workers Now Want to Know: What Are We Building This For?
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#292I once produced an open source product while working for Berkeley Lab, which is a DoE lab operated by UC. It does non-classified work. One day we got a visit from a couple employees of Lawrence Livermore Labs (classified research) and my manager glanced at their badges- he said something about "Q" and smiled while asking what they worked on. They said "multiphysics combustion codes" and my manager looked at me and sa…
You might also think about it positively. At least they are blowing up nukes in simulations instead of out in the desert somewhere upwind of a lot of people... speaking of upwind, there is also significant oil and gas funding behind a lot of geophysical science.
Addendum: as I recall, the Globus project was often funded by a mixture of NSF and DoE grants and a large part of its core group was based out of a midwestern national lab.
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I'm confused on both of your points. 1. How is this powerful, in the slightest? 100 students is less than a rounding error. 2. How are these students in any way brave?
1. Powerful in terms of impact. Google discontinued the project, no doubt due in some part to the protest. 2. Brave in turning down lucrative job offers for moral reasons. Many, many engineers currently work at Big Tech co’s with similar doubts and fears. But to risk your salary and job security on ethical grounds, that’s what I call brave.
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I think there's a lot of good, moral work out there. I have a friend who's a security engineer at a bank. I was surprised when he took the job - he'd always been pretty to the left politically. But he takes pride in making sure the grandmas of the world don't get their accounts drained. He realizes he's not saving the world, but he's not swapping around debt vouchers until the economy crashes. It's counter intuitive,…
My understanding is that the anti-fraud vacation thing is related to being able to correlate a decrease in fraud with a specific person going on vacation. If you have money that mysteriously goes missing on the regular and 10 employees who touch it along the way, it's hard to determine which of those employees is responsible. If one of them goes away on vacation for a week and no money goes missing that entire week,…
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#295It's true that ultimately there aren't a whole lot of morally "good" things you can do with your compsci degree at the moment. You can work in adtech or building corporate software, ecommerce, etc. to sell plastic trinkets to people and raise your company's stock price. Or you can do ML, which will probably hurt poor people in the near to mid term and probably contribute somewhat to the more Orwellian aspects of mode…
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#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
1. Powerful in terms of impact. Google discontinued the project, no doubt due in some part to the protest. 2. Brave in turning down lucrative job offers for moral reasons. Many, many engineers currently work at Big Tech co’s with similar doubts and fears. But to risk your salary and job security on ethical grounds, that’s what I call brave.
What you posted doesn't say they turned down job offers, it says they weren't going to interview at Google. Realistically, the only risk to them is if a company goes out of their way to look for that pledge during the hiring process, then decides not to hire them. They didn't lose a job or any income from what they did.
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Study Buckminster Fuller. He's an engineer who had a kind of spiritual epiphany and dedicated his life to a kind of hyper-realist "Design Science Revolution". In his lifetime he was one of the most famous (world-wide) Americans ever to have lived. He traveled around the world more than eighty times. There is a form of carbon named after him: Buckminsterfullerene. Anyhow, he calculated that we would have the technolog…
How do you find such an experienced therapist? What do you mean by "all our problems are basically psychological or spiritual"? Why do we have to slog through crackpottery for insight?
I did a lot of work on myself before I could even go seek out a therapist. When I did, I tried several different people (six IIRC) for a couple of sessions each until I found someone who seemed to be able to really help me. That helped a lot, but I was still suffering and had a hard time functioning. Then I attended a week-long seminar by Dr. Bandler, the "twenty minutes" I mentioned above happened on stage. I volunteered to participate in a demo and Bandler picked me. Subjectively I thought I was only up there for a few minutes. Someone else told me later that it was more like twenty minutes.
Anyhow, here are some NLP-specific sites to start to find a therapist. Good luck!
https://www.purenlp.com/the-society-of-neurolinguistic-progr...
http://www.neurolinguisticprogramming.com/
(Don't be put off by style, go for the substance.)
> What do you mean by "all our problems are basically psychological or spiritual"?
We have all the technology we need to supply all of our needs if we deploy it efficiently. The limiting factor is not physics. (I would say our problems today are spiritual, but my point is they're not physical.)
Quoting Bucky:
> It is now highly feasible to take care of everybody on Earth at a 'higher standard of living than any have ever known.' It no longer has to be you or me. Selfishness is unnecessary and henceforth unrationalizable as mandated by survival.
> Think of it. We are blessed with technology that would be indescribable to our forefathers. We have the wherewithal, the know-it-all to feed everybody, clothe everybody, and give every human on Earth a chance. We know now what we could never have known before - that we now have the option for all humanity to make it successfully on this planet in this lifetime. Whether it is to be Utopia or Oblivion will be a touch-and-go relay race right up to the final moment.
> The things to do are: the things that need doing: that you see need to be done, and that no one else seems to see need to be done. Then you will conceive your own way of doing that which needs to be done - that no one else has told you to do or how to do it. This will bring out the real you that often gets buried inside a character that has acquired a superficial array of behaviors induced or imposed by others on the individual.
I want to emphasize that Bucky was an engineer. These are statements backed by science and calculation.
> Why do we have to slog through crackpottery for insight?
The simple answer is that Mr. Nelson, the proprietor of Rex Research, has eclectic tastes.
The deeper answer is that it's not at all easy to tell the revolutionary from the ridiculous in every case.
A lot of these things are obviously stupid (fuel-from-water); some are obviously important (the silicon-nitrogen cycle of Plichta[1]); many are interesting but may not be economical (Aluminum Lamp[2]; FanWing[3]).
There may well be the next revolution lurking in the Rex Research database, and if so it probably looks like a deformed duck.
But anyway, we don't need more technology, we can apply what we've got to solve our problems (but we have lots more tech than we even know about.)
[1] "Novel concept for generating power via an inorganic nitrogen cycle" http://rexresearch.com/plichtasilane/plichta.html
[2] "microcavity plasma lamps ... built of aluminum foil, sapphire and small amounts of gas" http://rexresearch.com/eden/eden.htm
[3] "The FanWing looks like someone has put the blades of a combine harvester behind a helicopter cockpit and forgotten about the rest of the fuselage." http://rexresearch.com/fanwing/peebles.htm
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#298Unfortunately, the core business of Facebook, Twitter, and Google (driving engagement) is probably contributing to tearing the US apart politically. It's not just individual projects, it's at the very core of what they are. I don't see a happy ending here. I assume that the same thing is happening in other countries.
The notion of a technology company selling products or services directly to customers hasn't gone away, but it's starting to feel quaint and nostalgic, like it belongs in a Norman Rockwell illustration.
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#299It's true that ultimately there aren't a whole lot of morally "good" things you can do with your compsci degree at the moment. You can work in adtech or building corporate software, ecommerce, etc. to sell plastic trinkets to people and raise your company's stock price. Or you can do ML, which will probably hurt poor people in the near to mid term and probably contribute somewhat to the more Orwellian aspects of mode…
> It's true that ultimately there aren't a whole lot of morally "good" things you can do with your compsci degree at the moment. uhhh. your bubble is astonishing. or your standards for "good" are unattainable by anyone. how about folks who work on CAD software? is that bad because it will be used to design plastic trinkets, or good because it'll design medical prosthetics? (are the medical prosthetics good because th…
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#300Lately I've been experiencing some depression (under treatment), so maybe this is just the state of my mind right now, but is anyone else growing more and more cynical about the potential for changing the world, and adjusting their moral philosophy to compensate? I could barely impact how my former employer ran the company, and even though I had the company's best interests at heart the whole time, I faced resistance…
You know what the most amazing thing about Google is? 20 years ago they didn't exist. Today they are undoubtedly one of the most influential companies in the world and with enough revenue and influence to achieve as much as anybody. The reason I mention this is that I don't think one should look to get others to try to change the world. People will do what they want to do. Proving the value of your views is difficult…
This is kind of a tangent, but:
Today I learned that this recently became untrue.