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Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Johannesburg and Cape Town, South Africa. Both of these cities have loads of expats and intellectually stimulating environments. Big and spacious apartments for $1000/mo or less. Fibre @ 40mbps for $100/mo or thereabouts. A country that has both tropical and Mediterranean climates (think of the fruit and veggies!) with beautiful nature (esp. CT where it's integrated with the city). Eat out every night in style at pri…

How bad is the crime? I've talked to a few who've lived there but they always tell me the crime forced them to move out. Do hijackings at robots still happen often?

The fact that you call a traffic light a "robot" makes me suspect you're a South African or your parents are :)

I have never been hijacked, robot or otherwise. The worst that happened to me was getting mugged in a dark alley around 7pm in Cape Town. Rely shouldn't have been walking around that neighbourhood well-dressed.

In general I leave my laptop in the trunk and ladies leave their bags there too. The most common form of traffic light theft is "smash and grab" which is entirely mitigated by getting the right kind of windows and not leaving your stuff on the seat/where it's visible.

In ZA 80% of the crime is committed against poor people, which really sucks but which realistically means that only 20% of the crime stats actually would apply to the affluent/expats. Ultimately you need to be a little more vigilant and aware, but not much more than you would be in any major city.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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If you feel adventurous you can consider moving to Poland. I would recommend Krakow. Most young people will speak English, there are couple of top Universities there (PK and AGH for technical schools, UJ for humanities, medicine and some tech too and UE for economics). The tech scene seems to be constantly growing, with lots of international companies having their offices there. As a senior dev in Poland you can earn…

How bad is it there for sexual/gender minorities (aka gay/trans people). Is it livable if you are visibly transgender?

Depends on how visible it is.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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I can wholeheartedly recommend Amsterdam (or surrounding places). Everyone speaks English, pay is good, and work-life balance makes a lot of difference. Commutes are generally short, you get ~26 paid holidays per year (sick leave is separate from that)...

A lot of cities in the Netherlands are easy to reach by public transport. Car is also fine.

Pay is of course lower than in the Bay area.

Culture wise it's sometimes hard to make friends with the Dutch. It depends on how you spend your spare time. Playing a sport, going to parties, going to group lessons in a gym, etc. is essential to make Dutch friends later in life.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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If you're single, just cut your expenses and stay in the Bay Area. Get rid of your car, get roommates, stop eating out. It's much easier to cut your spending than move, and you will definitely be giving up opportunity and intellectual community no matter where in the world you move compared to SF. Also, Berlin fits your criteria. If you just want somewhere cheap try Thailand. Many coworking spaces, but harder to find…

You can’t « cut expenses » if you want to start a life and have kids ;-)

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Try Budapest

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?cou...

Lots of stuff here to do and see, there are many expats all over the city. English speaking is low among Hungarians (¬20%), but in the inner city you won't have a problem with it.

I'd try a couple of cities for a few weeks then decide, Prague is also very beautiful, but as others suggested Berlin rocks too.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Lisbon, Portugal. English level among locals is better than France, Italy or Spain. Good Universities that provide you with well educated people to discuss your intellectual pursuits. Still affordable compared to most places in Europe or US. And the weather is good for most of the year.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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If you would like to remain in United States and do not mind having proper seasons, I would strongly consider Chicago, the last affordable big city in the United States.

University of Chicago pulls a robust intellectual community (81 Nobel Laureates), but there is also a deep intellectual history around the arts and music that transcends the work of the university - something that I'm not sure I can say for a place like Cambridge.

The Art Institute has many of the paintings you might have seen in middle school history books, which is telling in of itself - and while everyone remembers Chicago's jazz, few know that it also invented house music (and a variety of other genres). It's home to many a political movement. It has unparalleled and extremely diverse architecture. The tech scene is doing great - and if any place will upset racial diversity in tech, it will certainly be this city.

People feel like they have a general sense of good will towards their neighbors, without losing the quick pace only a big city will offer you.

Most importantly and to your point - there is a respect for intellectual exchange no matter the discipline - Tech? Economics? Art? Policy? Medicine? Michelin-starred cuisine? I can't think of a field that you can't pursue with confidence in Chicago.

A completely trivial aside - one of the biggest complaints I hear from expats of the Bay Area is a lack of great Mexican food in Boston/Europe/etc. Thanks to a neighborhood called "Little Mexico" (which really does feel like being transported to the Mission), Chicago may be the furthest east you can go while still being able to find authentic Mexican food.

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

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Avoid working for local companies in Poland unless you like low pay. Just find yourself a nice remote gig (there's plenty of them if you know how to find them) and live like the top .001% of the country or whatever. There's a good reason why being a "digital nomad" is becoming more and more popular. Healthcare starts at ~$130/mo if you manage to not pay for the retirement fund scam (rarely possible), goes up to like…

agree. I'm from Poland but since the beginning of my programming career I've been working mostly for abroad companies (because of earnings). And about the politics... Only people that want to play into 'politics' game really cares what's happening here - other people just don't care and live happily.

Stick with that attitude long enough and you, too, will care about the "politics game".

Re: Ask HN: Cheap places to live with a good intellectual atmosphere?

#150
You did not write if you plan to do employed work or just live off your savings / external income. Even for Americans a work permit is not easy to attain in most places of the world. Also if you work employed locally, you have to consider how much you have to work to have a good live in that location.

While many consider Switzerland expensive, once you compute how long you have to work for the coffee it may no longer sound that expensive.

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