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Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by arountheworld »

briandear wrote: post #50
tomatocracy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reasons for high unemployment in France are, I would suggest, more to do with how hard it is to fire people in France than taxes. If you know you'll be stuck with someone forever, you take the decision to hire much more seriously and you'd much rather ask an existing employee who's a known quantity to do more work instead (potentially even if you pay them more in raises than it would have cost to hire someone els…

Fair point; the French labor code is the problem, however taxes are related; the high cost of being stuck with someone is higher due to social charges and taxes. Reforming the labor code and lowering taxes would both make the employment market more liquid.

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Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by naner »

briandear wrote: post #44
p4bl0 wrote: post #16

When I read stuff like this I'm so glad to live in a country (France) that doesn't let people without any money when they're fired or have serious medical issues. Nation-wide solidarity costs little to each person but gives a lot to those who need it. So sad that our public unemployment and health systems are getting destroyed piece by piece by successive governments (the current one is particularly agressive).

> Nation-wide solidarity costs little to each person but gives a lot to those who need it. The money I save from French taxes (I left this year) I can easily afford all manner of insurance plus I get paid a heck of a lot more to save quite a bit of money. French employment is over 10% and the economy is stagnant. Could it be if you incentivize unemployment you get more of it? It sure seems like that in France. Chroni…

I'd water that most adults in the US know one or more hard-working people who are in financial dire straits due to medical bills. It's reasonable that you don't want a single-payer system in the US but why in Earth would you boast about our current healthcare system?

Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by arountheworld »

tomatocracy wrote: post #46
walshemj wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the UK with the NHS that figure would be 32% for most single people and less for those with kids.

You've excluded employers national insurance contributions here, which is 13.8% of total pay. That makes the true "main" marginal rate c.44% (20% tax + 12% employee national insurance + 13.8% employers NI / 113.8%). Most higher earners in e.g. tech or professions will be in the 40% band at least, where the true marginal rate is c.49% (40%+2%+13.8% / 113.8%). The "top" marginal rate is c.53% (45% tax+2% employee NI+13…

The professionals in the UK work on a b2b basis because with current salaries and taxes it makes no sense to be an employee. Still you get taxed highly, but it is slightly better. Sadly the Tories are turning left and they look into taxing professionals too. I would be looking into leaving the country if they do.

Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by dang »

arountheworld wrote: post #71
briandear wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point; the French labor code is the problem, however taxes are related; the high cost of being stuck with someone is higher due to social charges and taxes. Reforming the labor code and lowering taxes would both make the employment market more liquid.

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Please don't post ideological rants here.

Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by dang »

simonsaidit wrote: post #22
fromthestart wrote: post #19

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>Nation-wide solidarity costs little to each person Federal income tax in France is greater than 45%[1]. There's nothing cheap about that. I much prefer the freedom of saving my own money, especially when working in something as lucrative as tech. 1. https://tradingeconomics.com/france/personal-income-tax-rate

Yes if all you think about is yourself then that works well.

Personal attacks aren't ok here. Please don't post like this, regardless of how wrong you think another commenter is. It degrades discussion considerably.

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Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by dang »

Sharlin wrote: post #56
antidesitter wrote: post #29

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> Yes if all you think about is yourself How does saving your own money preclude you from thinking about others?

Don't be obtuse. The OP had a very particularly selfish viewpoint: they prefer saving their own money because they happen to be in a situation that makes it (particularly) feasible. No mention about society as a whole.

Please don't call names or take swipes at other users.

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Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by arcticbull »

Joky wrote: post #68
vonvonschilling wrote: post #52

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You make paying 45% for France's system sound like a deal for a lifetime.

45% is only the (higher bracket) "federal taxes" (France isn't a federal country) that don't include all the welfare contributions which are taken from your salary (22% IIRC) and also the higher employer contributions. Edit, FYI: - 14% from 9 964 € to 27 519 € - 30% from 27 519 € to 73 779 € - 41% from 73 779 € to 156 244 € - 45% beyond 156 244 € And the table here for the social contribution that are taken out of yo…

I left those out of my headline numbers too though.

Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by wjossey »

carterza wrote: post #63

I'm not presently going through exactly what you went through - but I can relate on many levels. I've been on and off anti-depressants since I was sixteen, and I'm 33 now. My self-confidence has been basically destroyed, and I've kind of been just a shell of a human being ever since middle school. I've never figured myself out, and I've never felt like I've had time to, or the space and energy. I've been in and out o…

Best of luck to you as you make these changes.

Your journey is yours alone to make, so don’t take this advice but rather an anecdote.

When I was able to better understand what I valued in life (which is also constantly changing) I was able to find a lot more peace in my day to day life. I do what I value. I avoid what I do not. Much of what I value comes with challenges, pain, and difficulty, but because I value it the friction proves beneficial in the long wrong. I eschew things I don’t value (social media), but constantly reevaluate and challenge myself.

Good luck. I hope you find what you’re seeking.

Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by _RPM »

I'm glad the therapist worked for you. For me, my stance on therapy is that it's bullshit tried and true. I was in therapy for 1 year before realizing that I was going in there and making up problems I was having. I had 4 therapist in that time. The first 2 were actually horrible, and it was basically a sweatshop getting you in and out.

Basically, they sit there and listen, and let you talk about things. Giving you advice? No way.

Being an authoritative person? No. I was not able to fully accept that the empathy therapist show is FAKE, it's not real. You're literally paying them to sit there and listen to you.

I wasn't able to get over the fact that they don't care about you or your life, at the end of the day it's a business.

For instance, let's say one day you lose your insurance? All of sudden your therapist isn't going to help you anymore, etc.

It's all bullshit.

Re: Update to Ask HN: What to do if I’m about to lose my job to mental health issues

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Post by JamesBarney »

_RPM wrote: post #79

I'm glad the therapist worked for you. For me, my stance on therapy is that it's bullshit tried and true. I was in therapy for 1 year before realizing that I was going in there and making up problems I was having. I had 4 therapist in that time. The first 2 were actually horrible, and it was basically a sweatshop getting you in and out. Basically, they sit there and listen, and let you talk about things. Giving you a…

I think it being a business doesn't preclude their empathy. I'm sure most therapists care about their patients.

I care about the software projects I'm on, and really want them to succeed, and my clients to gets lots of value out of those projects. But I'm not going to work for them for free.

If you want to talk to someone for free there are friends, family and acquaintances. But that comes with its own set of obligations. If every time I saw a friend I complained about the same issues over and over again I wouldn't have many friends.

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