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Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Any name in particular you consider impressive? I don't know anybody on that list, but see several people associated with "electrosensitivity" organizations, which I don't associate with high quality science.

Moreover, you'd think that such a "high profile" petition would be hosted on something a little bit more prominent than, you know, a Google Drive shared doc.

Here are the websites:

https://www.5gappeal.eu/

https://www.5gspaceappeal.org/

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This makes me think that, besides the fact that Elon Musk seems to constantly has his foot in his mouth nowadays, this may be partly why Tesla has been getting so much negative press coverage (particularly headlines, which are usually written by editors, not the journalists who seem more objective to me). Tesla doesn't advertise. Everyone else in the industry does, bankrolling the press. I know the press will deny th…

Maybe Tesla receives negative press coverage for its poor workmanship, constant delays, near-unrepairability, bad labor conditions, union-busting, the CEO lying to investors, the CEO being unstable, precarious financial state, unfulfilled promises, reckless deadly computer-assisted driving sold as if it were self-driving, lack of independent competent management, a valuation highly dependent upon retaining a single e…

Or maybe the press can just be more truthful about a company that doesn't give them advertising money?

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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The list of names is not impressive. If you drill little bit into the background of people, the list is full of crackpots or confused old people. Last time it came up, I checked people from my country (Finland) and they were all crackpots. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17970112

I'm just curious what your own scientific credentials are, to be able to label other scientists in this field as crackpots? In case you aren't aware, and it seems you are not, there is a mountain of research and evidence on the effects of electromagnetic fields on biology. Or are you going to dismiss 26,813 publications and all of their writers as crackpots? https://www.emf-portal.org/en

I checked just three people from the list that they are all promoting pseudoscience.

* Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field.

* Dowsing aka divining is medieval practice with no scientific basis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing

> mountain of research and evidence on the effects of electromagnetic fields on biology.

This is trivially true and too generic statement to be used as an argument. For example in vitro studies don't transfer into in vivo. Especially in high frequencies.https://www.emf-portal.org/en is good source f and as you can conclude from the wast volume of research, it is well researched subject. No significant negative effects has been established from cell phone or wi-fi radiation unless the energy is well above the safe levels.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Ads are always disrespectful of their victims. They are intrusive and manipulative by nature. Self respecting marketers will often say that their goal is to inform, but without fail, that "information" is laced and inextricably woven with manipulative psychology, tangential to the product being sold. Further, in any industry where it can be employed, it chokes out every other form of revenue. How can anyone compete w…

What you are saying doesn't apply generally. Are you thinking in a specific context? Without advertising, the take up of new inventions (things like pressure cookers, microwaves, etc) would be significantly slower. There would be mass confusion about how to get access to uncommon services (legal, accounting and building for example). I wouldn't know what half of the companies out there did if they didn't run some adv…

I second that from my gaming rgb overheat-edition microwave.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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I'm just curious what your own scientific credentials are, to be able to label other scientists in this field as crackpots? In case you aren't aware, and it seems you are not, there is a mountain of research and evidence on the effects of electromagnetic fields on biology. Or are you going to dismiss 26,813 publications and all of their writers as crackpots? https://www.emf-portal.org/en

I checked just three people from the list that they are all promoting pseudoscience. * Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. * Dowsing aka divining is medieval practice with no scientific basis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing > mountain of research and evidence on the effects of electromagnetic…

> Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field.

Of course it has scientific basis. The scientific basis is that electromagnetic fields alter biological processes, thereby it is possible to produce effects in both animals and humans.

And if you deny that electromagnetic fields can alter biological processes, then you really completely deny science.

In addition, EHS is really a poor choice as a descriptive term for these symptoms. It is no different than saying that when someone punches you repeatedly, you develop human fist hypersensitivity.

It is a misunderstanding that people who suffer from EHS could somehow sense microwave radiation directly. This is impossible, because humans have no direct sensing apparatus for this type of radiation.

What happens is that they feel the secondary effects of the disruption in their biology. For example a change or disruption in the ATP production of the cell can lead to many secondary effects, as can can the effects on cell wall permeability, just as two examples.

Trying to do provocation tests on human subjects, only really shows a misunderstanding of what is happening.

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Maybe Tesla receives negative press coverage for its poor workmanship, constant delays, near-unrepairability, bad labor conditions, union-busting, the CEO lying to investors, the CEO being unstable, precarious financial state, unfulfilled promises, reckless deadly computer-assisted driving sold as if it were self-driving, lack of independent competent management, a valuation highly dependent upon retaining a single e…

It blows my mind how many Tesla apologists/fanboys are in this thread. Liking Elon Musk and thinking Tesla is heading for bankruptcy are not mutually exclusive. I think he's generally a force for good in the tech industry and greater world, but I've been pretty grim on TLSA for almost 3 years now. They are overvalued, under delivering, and Elon has seemed to be in the midst of a manic breakdown pretty much since his…

For what its worth, I'd probably lose my mind too if I was dating Amber Heard and we broke up. Godspeed, hope he recovers soon.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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post #113

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I checked just three people from the list that they are all promoting pseudoscience. * Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. * Dowsing aka divining is medieval practice with no scientific basis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowsing > mountain of research and evidence on the effects of electromagnetic…

> Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. Of course it has scientific basis. The scientific basis is that electromagnetic fields alter biological processes, thereby it is possible to produce effects in both animals and humans. And if you deny that electromagnetic fields can alter biological processes, t…

How many Navy veterans have that sensitivity? You would think serving next to a radar some of them would.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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> Electromagnetic hypersensitivity theory has no scientific basis and double blind studies show that the symptoms are not dependent on electromagnetic field. Of course it has scientific basis. The scientific basis is that electromagnetic fields alter biological processes, thereby it is possible to produce effects in both animals and humans. And if you deny that electromagnetic fields can alter biological processes, t…

How many Navy veterans have that sensitivity? You would think serving next to a radar some of them would.

This is a good point.

This was known before the advent of cell phones by radar operators as radar sickness. The army has known about these problems for a long time.

You can read here an excerpt from 1973 from the WHO symposium in Warsaw on electromagnetic radiation. The Russians had studied this phenomenon for 20 years prior, and the conclusion is in the symposium papers:

https://twitter.com/ChronicExposure/status/10057668842167255...

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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>Addendum — the original 5G column is still up in India! Click here. Then the dreaded "403 Not allowed". Archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20180913212959/https://in.pcmag.c...

The original article is back up now.

https://www.pcmag.com/article/345387/what-is-5gpcmag.com/com...

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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This sort of problem became more or less inevitable once people stopped paying for content. With a traditional newspaper your readers are footing at least part of the bill for the articles, so you are beholden to them to keep them informed. At least in theory. These days however the only payment is coming from advertisers, so they are the only ones you need to keep happy. This is the same problem that TV and Radio ne…

With a traditional newspaper your readers are footing at least part of the bill for the articles When was that exactly? Back when I used to pay for a physical newspaper thrown at my door, I remember it often said that the price covered printing and delivery and most of the newspaper's income came from advertising. Was this wrong? It doesn't seem like it... it was sub $1 per issue, which seems about an order of magnit…

My impression is that in the old days more of the money came from the readers, but as the years went on they didn't track inflation and ended up leaning more heavily on advertisers. Then they died out.
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