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Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #59

On a basic level, it seems to be the same old web, but rather than Facebook or some other company storing your data, you store it on a pod, and give the app access to it. Which is fine, until one day you share a bit too much, or you 'create' personal data in connected apps, which the app obviously has access to anyway. Not sure what this solves. Also, I can imagine lots of "pods as a service" popping up, which is kin…

That said, I'd be happy if the NHS (National Health Service in the UK) can just point to my POD instead of asking for paper forms to be filled in each and every time you change your GP.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Yes, Solid is something to looking forward to.

Many years ago, we face the vendor lock-in problem from the software giants, due to proprietary data formats. Thanks to Berners Lee, W3C, XML and open source community, that is less of a problem today.

But now we face the problem of vendor lock-in, not due to proprietary formats, but due to cloud-service lock-in. With all the software giants, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Amazon, ... offering their services primarily as cloud services, this cloud lock-in issue is going to become more severe in years to come.

It's a new war the software industry needs to fight. It cannot be addressed just by one person, one project, one organization. It needs collaboration from the entire community.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

I'm very interested in 'new things', especially in this area, and I find it incredibly frustrating how bad they often are for a significant number of users.

One of the more promising initiatives I've seen recently is Patchwork, which is a kind of Facebook or social network that runs on the Secure Scuttlebutt (SSB) protocol.

It's a user-friendly app that you can download, and after getting over the hurdle of adding a 'pub', you can get things going pretty quickly.

What frustrates me is that I can imagine quite a few people would go through the trouble to install the app, non-geeks included, even though it means going to a weird .nz domain and even though simply searching for 'Patchwork' on Google isn't enough. In my experience there's a subset of the general population that will be willing to do this.

But then they get an app that does nothing, and they'll have to figure out that to use the app, they need to add a 'pub' server. Doing so requires a bit of searching and then adding the pubs to the app. I'd say that's a bridge too far for most.

The same goes for developers. Patchwork is written in Node.js and for various reasons there's no easy way to write clients in other languages. Even though I am familiar with Node.js programming, it's enough of a hurdle that even as a fan I just resigned myself to just wait until something more user-friendly shows up (Elixir client plz).

My point is that Patchwork/SSB has been one of the best-implemented things I've seen, and yet it sucks enough that I hesitate to recommend to 'regular' users or developers. And the frustrating thing is that, considering the effort involved, it wouldn't be that much more work to bridge the gap. But doing that is just not interesting enough, and so the whole thing remains a niche that will probably die in due time.

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