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Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by EugeneOZ »

laumars wrote: post #87
EugeneOZ wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't believe you, because I have an experience of repairing MBP too. In my case it was damaged keyboard. They decided to replace entirely that half of the notebook. It was surprising approach and price was high, but still lower than price of the new MBP with the same CPU/RAM/SSD characteristics.

In fairness to the previous poster, replacing a keyboard should be cheaper than replacing an SSD (which is soldered into macs, requires a more expensive replacement part then needs an OS reinstall which a keyboard wouldn’t).

They are replacing whole half of the notebook. It's everything except the monitor. So price is the same.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

unstuckdev wrote: post #59
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it’s tragic that so much emphasis is placed on the looks of a phone. Most people put them in cases anyway, and the only thing that really matters is the screen and physical button placement. I always thought modern smart phones should have started as a black slab like the 2001 monoliths and just stopped there.

But I like my pink aluminum rectangle.

Put it in a pink case! Sky’s the limit!

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by mtgx »

BurningFrog wrote: post #22
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

Companies act like sheep more often than not. It's why someone like Apple had to come into the market and revolutionize smartphones when everyone else was too busy studying how to best clone Nokia's phones.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by ru999gol »

laumars wrote: post #87
EugeneOZ wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't believe you, because I have an experience of repairing MBP too. In my case it was damaged keyboard. They decided to replace entirely that half of the notebook. It was surprising approach and price was high, but still lower than price of the new MBP with the same CPU/RAM/SSD characteristics.

In fairness to the previous poster, replacing a keyboard should be cheaper than replacing an SSD (which is soldered into macs, requires a more expensive replacement part then needs an OS reinstall which a keyboard wouldn’t).

Apple intentionally builds their keyboards in such a way that it is incredible difficult to replace, the amount of skilled labor required doesn't make it profitable to just replace the keyboard. Its eye opening seeing a keyboard replacement being performed: https://youtu.be/4KuVvb9DTaU?t=309

Who is to blame for letting it get so far? I think its not just Apples fault, its governments fault not regulating them and consumers fault for still buying and even defending their practices (which you can very well observe in this thread).

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by alkonaut »

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

An iPhone is surprisingly repairable, and after the switch to the rounded chassis (with iPhone6) I’d consider it more repairable than the earlier iphone5 form factor.

The only part that is using any significant adhesive is the battery, it can’t be fit because it needs to be able to grow, so it is fit into a too large space using a piece of adhesive tape to not move around.

The phone is built to be quickly servicable by Apple technicians, so obviously no cables are soldered, everything is using easy to fit ribbon connectors.

I’d have no training and found it easy to replace many parts in iPhones such as e.g the screen.

There are parts that Apple have made harder to user replace such as the fingerprint/home button module but that at least has good reason.

I recommend the ifixit step by step repair guides that also make it obvious that repairing a modern smartphone is not much different if it says google or Apple or Samsung on the back. The only major difference is a user accessible battery in some models.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by dymk »

fghtr wrote: post #90
BurningFrog wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

Not every manufacturer is doing it. Purism does not. User upgradeable, no planned obsolescence Solid aluminum with regular screws—not screws designed to screw you and prevent user servicing, repairs or experimentation [0] [0] https://puri.sm/learn/why-purism-computers-are-better-than-p...

Literally just pure marketing. Let's see Purism make a phone comparable to what's in the iPhone X, and have that be user-serviceable with a screwdriver and suction cup.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by ru999gol »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #43

While macbook is top notch hardware and MacOs is the best *nix os out there, this is the last straw. I will not being giving anymore money to apple with its anti-consumer business practices. Can some one recommend a good cloud MacOs vm solution for ios development? Or better yet, a rock solid hackintosh build that won't go to shit every update? I don't mind paying good money for a good product but this is ridiculous.

Your best bet with Mac OS X virtual machines is giving it a dedicated gpu using pcie passthrough with linux as the host.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

foota wrote: post #46
sh87 wrote: post #27

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No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

Why would I want a rectangular screen for something that goes in my pocket? The removable batter and headphone jack might be nice, but as I understand it part of the reason these kinds of things have been removed is to make waterproofing easier, which is something I'd rather have.

That's simply not true. My Samsung Galaxy S5 has a removable battery and headphone jack AND it's waterproof.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by [deleted] »

dymk wrote: post #96
fghtr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not every manufacturer is doing it. Purism does not. User upgradeable, no planned obsolescence Solid aluminum with regular screws—not screws designed to screw you and prevent user servicing, repairs or experimentation [0] [0] https://puri.sm/learn/why-purism-computers-are-better-than-p...

Literally just pure marketing. Let's see Purism make a phone comparable to what's in the iPhone X, and have that be user-serviceable with a screwdriver and suction cup.

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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by tinus_hn »

alkonaut wrote: post #95
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

An iPhone is surprisingly repairable, and after the switch to the rounded chassis (with iPhone6) I’d consider it more repairable than the earlier iphone5 form factor. The only part that is using any significant adhesive is the battery, it can’t be fit because it needs to be able to grow, so it is fit into a too large space using a piece of adhesive tape to not move around. The phone is built to be quickly servicable…

A major difference is that Apple does not sell parts to anyone who is not a licensed repair partner. All these screens you can put in your phone are fakes, refurbished or parts of stolen phones.
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