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Re: 5G Got me Fired

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This makes me think that, besides the fact that Elon Musk seems to constantly has his foot in his mouth nowadays, this may be partly why Tesla has been getting so much negative press coverage (particularly headlines, which are usually written by editors, not the journalists who seem more objective to me). Tesla doesn't advertise. Everyone else in the industry does, bankrolling the press. I know the press will deny th…

Maybe Tesla receives negative press coverage for its poor workmanship, constant delays, near-unrepairability, bad labor conditions, union-busting, the CEO lying to investors, the CEO being unstable, precarious financial state, unfulfilled promises, reckless deadly computer-assisted driving sold as if it were self-driving, lack of independent competent management, a valuation highly dependent upon retaining a single e…

I wrote this response because my experience so far is that, while not discounting his twitter antics, Elon is a force of good in this world and is mostly sincere and there seems to be a lot of fud (fear, uncertainty, doubt, often unsubstantiated or just quoting lies) spread around whatever he's doing.

Some sentences or terms you use may be factually correct in some context or way, but you seem to be painting a pretty negative picture chaining them together.

Granted, the media also occasionally report on Tesla kicking ass, but the negative press coverage almost seems like a concerted effort to spread fud every chance the media gets. The media have a vested interest in selling drama and they blow shit out of proportion and created issue where there isn't any.

They misuse their responsibility of shaping public opinion when they for example go crazy on someone taking one puff of a blunt and ignoring almost 3 hours of meaningful conversation with a sentence.

If Tesla is in such a precarious financial state and a sorry ass company, why do investors and banks keep lending and pumping money? Because the fundamentals are solid and anyone actually following the numbers and their mission, as opposed to media fud, knows they are about to skyrocket.

Their valuation may have been inflated especially if you believe the value represented the here and now but the fundamentals haven't changed, in fact they may be even better than expected. Once Tesla hits profitability on the account sheet (they already make close to 20% on every Model 3 sold but are 'losing' money because of heavy investment as far as I can tell), they will shoot to the moon because the media will then report Tesla is suddenly a good company and the optics have changed, even though the fundamentals haven't.

They're betting big on at least mid range Trucking switching electric because according to them it'll be cheaper to operate electric fleets. They got a pickup, the model y, planned to begin production soonish. They can lower their unit prices once they hit massive scales due to multiple gigafactories. They operate their own charging network, no other car manufacturer comes anywhere close to what they have.

Granted, Elon is the hype machine behind companies he's running or involved in, but his cult of personality is not all vanity. Why does Elon take no (1 dollar) salary, still holds some 20% of the stock and works his ass off and drains himself to his detriment on Tesla? Because he seems to be for real, a believer, and he delivers even if it's delayed.

Tesla under his leadership has done a great service to humanity, igniting the transformation to moving away from fossil fuels. The other car makers are lagging behind and only now starting to invest billions into battery manufacturing when Tesla is showing them they're for real.

I thought helping with load balancing and storing more volatile non-fossil energy and the creation of smart local grids and allowing people to get off the grid with their home batteries could be a reasonable endeavor for Tesla's battery division.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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>This is a cautionary tale. Anyone writing for any publisher in today’s commercial market, where the managed advertorial and native ad seems to be the only way to make money, needs to be cautious. More importantly today’s readers need to be a little more than cautious when believing anything. Native advertising is a most insidious concept and should be rejected by every publisher. Instead it is welcomed by the broadc…

Native ads should be clearly labeled and disclosed, as with any other ads. This isn’t controversial and is what all serious journalism organizations are already doing. I don’t buy that the format is inherently any more dangerous than anything else. All ads need to be respectful of the reader regardless of form.

Ads are always disrespectful of their victims. They are intrusive and manipulative by nature.

Self respecting marketers will often say that their goal is to inform, but without fail, that "information" is laced and inextricably woven with manipulative psychology, tangential to the product being sold.

Further, in any industry where it can be employed, it chokes out every other form of revenue. How can anyone compete with "free"? Then, inevitably, when ads enter a space, they quickly dominate and poison it.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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>Addendum — the original 5G column is still up in India! Click here. Then the dreaded "403 Not allowed". Archived here: http://web.archive.org/web/20180913212959/https://in.pcmag.c...

Thanks for that! Here's the critical bit... Because the industry is too cheap to study the health effects of the technology itself, it lets this sort of product out the door despite the fact that it has already been weaponized by the military http://web.archive.org/web/20180930061356/https://jnlwp.defe... These frequencies are so poor at travelling long distances, they need a transmitter on nearly every telephone pol…

The 5G frequencies are listed at https://gsacom.com/5g-spectrum-bands/

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Am I missing something? He says PC Magazine fired him because he was critical of his 5G article and that rankled the magazine's sponsors. Who specifically are the sponsors he's thinking of? Is there any evidence whatsoever that this is what happened? So they linked his article about 5G to a different one. Why does that mean he was fired for writing the article? I feel like an application of Hanlon's Razor (not quite…

Having run a newspaper, I can confirm that advertisers do contact management and say "I didn't like that article, do something about it or we won't be advertising with you again". And the financial pressure is intense. You have many, many staff to pay, and the commercial pressure to keep advertisers happy is real and difficult to manage. I can totally believe that the magazine caved in to pressure from an advertiser…

Do you find it believable that he was fired over this?

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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Native ads should be clearly labeled and disclosed, as with any other ads. This isn’t controversial and is what all serious journalism organizations are already doing. I don’t buy that the format is inherently any more dangerous than anything else. All ads need to be respectful of the reader regardless of form.

Ads are always disrespectful of their victims. They are intrusive and manipulative by nature. Self respecting marketers will often say that their goal is to inform, but without fail, that "information" is laced and inextricably woven with manipulative psychology, tangential to the product being sold. Further, in any industry where it can be employed, it chokes out every other form of revenue. How can anyone compete w…

What you are saying doesn't apply generally. Are you thinking in a specific context?

Without advertising, the take up of new inventions (things like pressure cookers, microwaves, etc) would be significantly slower. There would be mass confusion about how to get access to uncommon services (legal, accounting and building for example). I wouldn't know what half of the companies out there did if they didn't run some advertising somewhere.

I mean, say there is a company called Stratco. They might sell something I'd buy if I knew about it. How do you propose I figure that out if they don't advertise? I'm not about to research them to find out what it is they sell; there are too many companies out there doing random business->business services I don't want to know about. It is a very neat solution for them to figure out what I do for leisure, subsidise it and pay for an ad or few.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

#96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes me think that, besides the fact that Elon Musk seems to constantly has his foot in his mouth nowadays, this may be partly why Tesla has been getting so much negative press coverage (particularly headlines, which are usually written by editors, not the journalists who seem more objective to me). Tesla doesn't advertise. Everyone else in the industry does, bankrolling the press. I know the press will deny th…

Maybe Tesla receives negative press coverage for its poor workmanship, constant delays, near-unrepairability, bad labor conditions, union-busting, the CEO lying to investors, the CEO being unstable, precarious financial state, unfulfilled promises, reckless deadly computer-assisted driving sold as if it were self-driving, lack of independent competent management, a valuation highly dependent upon retaining a single e…

It blows my mind how many Tesla apologists/fanboys are in this thread. Liking Elon Musk and thinking Tesla is heading for bankruptcy are not mutually exclusive. I think he's generally a force for good in the tech industry and greater world, but I've been pretty grim on TLSA for almost 3 years now. They are overvalued, under delivering, and Elon has seemed to be in the midst of a manic breakdown pretty much since his breakup with Amber Heard.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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5g affecting health isn't crackpot theory?

Unknown. There is an impressive-looking group of credentials behind a petition[1] to halt 5G rollouts in the EU until more research can be done. The science just isn't settled yet, partly because doing a rigorous controlled trial in real world conditions is just about impossible. Keep in mind it's not just about cancer, it's any health effect of any kind . The nature of the shorter wavelengths of 5G means that more t…

The list of names is not impressive.

If you drill little bit into the background of people, the list is full of crackpots or confused old people. Last time it came up, I checked people from my country (Finland) and they were all crackpots.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17970112

Re: 5G Got me Fired

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unknown. There is an impressive-looking group of credentials behind a petition[1] to halt 5G rollouts in the EU until more research can be done. The science just isn't settled yet, partly because doing a rigorous controlled trial in real world conditions is just about impossible. Keep in mind it's not just about cancer, it's any health effect of any kind . The nature of the shorter wavelengths of 5G means that more t…

Any name in particular you consider impressive? I don't know anybody on that list, but see several people associated with "electrosensitivity" organizations, which I don't associate with high quality science.

Moreover, you'd think that such a "high profile" petition would be hosted on something a little bit more prominent than, you know, a Google Drive shared doc.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

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> US telecom corporations are rushing to beat There are no US based mobile infrastructure companies competing for 4G or 5G installations. Qualcomm is lower level supplier providing components and competing with MediaTek, Samsung and Chinese. There is only 5 major players left: Huawei, Ericsson, Nokia, ZTE and Samsung. Two Chinese, Finnish, Swedish and South Korean.

I don't know based on what you are saying that, but all US cellular operators already told shareholders their billion dollar plans for 5G as far as last year.

US cellular operators are not competing with China and they are just customers to for technology.

If the "rushing to beat" is just figurative saying, then you are right.

Re: 5G Got me Fired

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This makes me think that, besides the fact that Elon Musk seems to constantly has his foot in his mouth nowadays, this may be partly why Tesla has been getting so much negative press coverage (particularly headlines, which are usually written by editors, not the journalists who seem more objective to me). Tesla doesn't advertise. Everyone else in the industry does, bankrolling the press. I know the press will deny th…

Maybe Tesla receives negative press coverage for its poor workmanship, constant delays, near-unrepairability, bad labor conditions, union-busting, the CEO lying to investors, the CEO being unstable, precarious financial state, unfulfilled promises, reckless deadly computer-assisted driving sold as if it were self-driving, lack of independent competent management, a valuation highly dependent upon retaining a single e…

I would also add that some side-projects linked directly or indieectly with Musk and/or Tesla also contribute to the erosion of goodwill we're witnessing. For instance, the boring company is marketed as if they've made this gigantic breakthrough in tunneling that no one else in humanity has ever come up while they're actually just a company that bought a commercial tunneler, and hyperloop is marketed as if they're the first guys ever to look at the problem of transporting people very fast through tunnels while they're actally demonstrating they're even completely unaware of some pretty basic constraints and very fundamental problems that need to be solved prior to increasing train speed. Therefore, it's hard not to look at these ventures as if they're real-world eeenactments of the simpsons' monorail episode, and if Musk and Tesla's names are linked to these projects then they simply suffer the backlash.
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