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Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by greglindahl »

BurningFrog wrote: post #22
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

Manufacturers are a lot more interested in manufacturability and reliability than repairability. The result is things that are relatively cheaper and less likely to break than in the past.

Another interesting aspect in electronics is that things like memory can run faster if you solder it down -- connectors eat into your signal margin.

Just imagine the chaos if the technique that Apple and everyone else uses to marry the SOC and RAM is outlawed because it's less repairable than the way it used to be done?

I'm a fan of repairability, and low prices, high reliability, and high performance. It's not a one-dimensional problem.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by torgian »

bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Well, this isn’t exactly true. You can repair your own phones, you just need the right tools. China is well known for this. Repair shops that have the right tools (vacuum heating chambers, etc) are able to take apart and repair phones.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by wpdev_63 »

While macbook is top notch hardware and MacOs is the best *nix os out there, this is the last straw. I will not being giving anymore money to apple with its anti-consumer business practices.

Can some one recommend a good cloud MacOs vm solution for ios development? Or better yet, a rock solid hackintosh build that won't go to shit every update? I don't mind paying good money for a good product but this is ridiculous.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by torgian »

sh87 wrote: post #27
BurningFrog wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

They aren’t targeting people like you and me. They’re targeting the next generation who won’t grow up with repairable things, and China is their target market right now with several hundred more million people than the West.

India manufacturers will be the next to look for, unless Apple changed gears.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by Spivak »

xg15 wrote: post #11
Spivak wrote: post #3

I mean this seems very reasonable from Apple's perspective. They're trying to avoid their brand being tarnished by bad repair shops with questionable repair skills cutting corners with cheap and unsupported parts. Given how large the resale market is for Apple products I would even say that this is an extremely positive policy because as long as the machine boots you can be pretty darn sure your MacBook is just like…

> When the OS boots just make sure the user is made aware that they're running on unsupported hardware and recommend taking it to an authorized Apple repair shop if they want fix that. You mean like Nexus phones or Surface tablets shout out to the world on the boot screen that their bootloader is unlocked when you had the audacity to install a different OS?

I mean to be fair unlocking the bootloader pretty much destroys the security of the phone so if anything that message should be louder.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by foota »

sh87 wrote: post #27
BurningFrog wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, if every manufacturer is doing it, there are probably good reasons for it. I doubt they've all gone mad at the same time.

No removable batteries, no expandable memory, no headphone jack and now the notch. All undeniable evidence on manufacturers copying(?) Apple's choices at least in phones. As a user, I strongly feel these are not in my best interests. And I realize I am not alone in this. Apple being the magnitude that it is now, cannot afford to make choices to attract folks like me with their 'reimagined' and 'breakthrough' innovati…

Why would I want a rectangular screen for something that goes in my pocket? The removable batter and headphone jack might be nice, but as I understand it part of the reason these kinds of things have been removed is to make waterproofing easier, which is something I'd rather have.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by lostlogin »

The leader in making repairable equipment that I’ve messed with is Mazzer. Their coffee grinders are fantastic and repairs consist of opening the unit with standard tools, unplugging the broken bit then buying a new part off the dealer or plugging in some other thing I want. Grinders 30 year old are readily repaired and parts are interchangeable with new machines. Upgrades are modular and plug on to the base chassis. Some units have a security screw but it’s only ever been finger tight when I’ve found them. I’m some sort of Mazzer evangelist now and live in fear of them ever changing.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by slobotron »

xvector wrote: post #28
Yetanfou wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, and no: - Yes in the sense that the glass needs to be glued (or rather taped as a double-sided tape is used) to create a waterproof seal as the small size of these devices does not allow for a more traditional clamp fit using a rubber gasket. - No because it does not have to be the main body of the device to which the glass is glued/taped. I use the Motorola Defy+ [1], an 8 year old water/dust/shockproof Android…

> the glass is glued to a frame which in turn is attached to the phone using screws I think it would be tragic if the iPhone looked like those Motorola devices. That thing looks hideous. This is strictly against Apple's design philosophy, and for good reason.

iPhones of similar vintage* (1, 3G, 3GS) looked somewhat similar IMO.

(* Technically I guess it's the iPhone 4 that came out same year as Defy, but arguably close enough)

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by joncrane »

TaylorGood wrote: post #14

I dropped my iPhone X with a front and back cover yet glass still broke on both sides. It happens, but thanks to the rear glass being welded to frame and new front glass technology it costs $828 to replace. Repair shops are charging more than Apple store. $279 for Front glass $549 for Rear glass

That's part of the deal when you buy an Apple device.

Re: Apple’s repair kill switch hasn’t been activated yet

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Post by shawn »

torgian wrote: post #42
bjoli wrote: post #2

Apple is really undoubtedly the king of making their products impossible to repair. This doesn't bother me much since I have long abandoned apple. What bothers me is that everyone follows their bad example. Not only is a modern phone impossible to open, everything is glued in. Even laptops are like this. I have even seen other manufacturers stop using underfill in their phones, just like apple. Probably to make broke…

Well, this isn’t exactly true. You can repair your own phones, you just need the right tools. China is well known for this. Repair shops that have the right tools (vacuum heating chambers, etc) are able to take apart and repair phones.

Keyboards, on the other hand, are now impossible to repair. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KuVvb9DTaU

Interesting. I can edit my comment after it was vouched.

Hmm. I could exploit this loophole. But I won't – yet – because I care about HN.

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