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An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by aerovistae »

mattbierner wrote: post #71
rapnie wrote: post #18

Big art has been hijacked by big money. Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite. This shows the hypocrisy. Unfortunately it will not change anything. The piece has just become more valuable, I predict. Go Banksy. Art for the masses.

This piece was excellently executed but shredding may not have been the best way to make that point (even if it is a good laugh). A few quick thoughts on how this idea could be modified if the goal is to poke at the art market: - Destroy the original completely. This would be difficult as even ashes from burning could be resold and exhibited. I’m also not sure destruction captures the right point. - Reverse the shred…

Find most of these ideas kind of empty, personally, except the photocopier one. Really like that.

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by IIAOPSW »

int0x80 wrote: post #79
midnitewarrior wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not trolling, the work was a performance piece.

A performance, yes. But the deeper act is the very definition of trolling (in the broad sense of the word) :)

trolling is a art

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by emteycz »

smhost wrote: post #43
TomMarius wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We're not talking about crimes, we're talking about desires. And yes, that's why blaming the financial system is wrong - nothing would change. Stateless society can still have justice, courts, rules, police... It's just driven by someone else.

you're actually not making any sense. you're saying that no matter what financial system we have, nothing would change, so there's no point in changing it, and there's no point in not changing it. and if courts and police exist in the way that they exist in our society, then that wouldn't be a stateless society by definition.

I'm saying that changing the financial system will change nothing and there is no point in changing it, yes. Part of the world tried other systems and failed miserably, thus we should focus on education and other social factors instead of trying to fix something that isn't broken (what is broken is the current regulation, not the system itself).

Ad communism: That's not true. Have you read anything from the communist theory? Marx, at least? I mean, more than a part of one book?

Communism is a change in ownership and control, but that doesn't mean that a police-like body wouldn't exist (it might not, though). They just call it "people's militia". The court system would be different, but a court nonetheless. A corporation can have police and courts and it's still a corporation. Military, the same. Even today these are deliberately kept as separate as possible from the governing body (what we usually mean with "state").

Thus I think you have mixed up the definition of "state" in "stateless".

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by zwischenzug »

ispiansclsda wrote: post #58
rapnie wrote: post #18

Big art has been hijacked by big money. Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite. This shows the hypocrisy. Unfortunately it will not change anything. The piece has just become more valuable, I predict. Go Banksy. Art for the masses.

The funniest part is that people would lose their minds if this happened to a Picasso.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2003/mar/31/artsfeatures...

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by bostik »

rapnie wrote: post #18

Big art has been hijacked by big money. Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite. This shows the hypocrisy. Unfortunately it will not change anything. The piece has just become more valuable, I predict. Go Banksy. Art for the masses.

> Big art has been hijacked by big money. Art as an investment vehicle, something to preen yourself with, show others you are elite.

Or to just flip, without ever putting it on display. On industrial scale.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38167501

https://www.widewalls.ch/geneva-freeport-art-storage-freepor...

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by throw0101011 »

hueving wrote: post #61
throw0101011 wrote: post #25

Not referring to this specific exhibit but other pieces by a similar artist. Thousands of people can create this kind of paintings for cheap. That it still sells for more than what many people can make in a decade or a career means a stratospheric concentration of wealth in society or a bubble in the commercial art world. If there is real scarcity because of climate change or other widespread disaster, how much can a…

>If there is real scarcity because of climate change or other widespread disaster, how much can a piece of this ‘quality’ be sold for? A loaf of bread, or less? First, if it's just from climate change, it will be gradual increase in scarcity and all kinds of methods of growing food become viable as the price of bread increases. So unless climate change actually makes Banksy undesirable, it will still be worth more lo…

The difference is the number of people a product or a project will likely help times the ‘utility’ each person receive.

> Once you start down the road of being dictotoe of spending on expensive things that aren't solving starvation, all kinds of things like space exploration, the development of the internet, etc all become "sorry effects". Guess how many villages could be fed on the budget of the Apollo program.

I do not advocate dictating spending but propose designing a better incentive system for rich people to spend money on useful things. See my reply to another comment down below.

What are ‘useful’ things?

Your examples here have good probabilities of turning into ‘utility’ for the masses. Cure of cancer (obvious), Apollo program (many scientific advances), ...

Bidding up prestige and coolness is a zero sum game and only increases a small bit of satisfaction of a few rich people.

It is about valuing the needs of the rich and the masses more equitably.

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by daleharvey »

hueving wrote: post #61
throw0101011 wrote: post #25

Not referring to this specific exhibit but other pieces by a similar artist. Thousands of people can create this kind of paintings for cheap. That it still sells for more than what many people can make in a decade or a career means a stratospheric concentration of wealth in society or a bubble in the commercial art world. If there is real scarcity because of climate change or other widespread disaster, how much can a…

>If there is real scarcity because of climate change or other widespread disaster, how much can a piece of this ‘quality’ be sold for? A loaf of bread, or less? First, if it's just from climate change, it will be gradual increase in scarcity and all kinds of methods of growing food become viable as the price of bread increases. So unless climate change actually makes Banksy undesirable, it will still be worth more lo…

  > Once you start down the road of being dictator 
  > of spending on expensive things that aren't solving
  > starvation, all kinds of things like space exploration,
  > the development of the internet, etc all become "sorry
  > effects". Guess how many villages could be fed on
  > the budget of the Apollo program.
Feels super weird to me that in its full context the point of this sentence wasn't "We should stop letting people starve to death instead of sending people into space"

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by beerlord »

crooked-v wrote: post #2

> Banksy’s iconic Girl With Balloon (2006) attracted feverish bidding in the room and on the phones, racing past its high estimate of £300,000 to hammer at £860,000, or just over £1 million ($1.3 million with fees). As the gavel slammed, a siren rang out through the salesroom and everyone stood stunned as the Banksy canvas slid through the frame that it was contained in and emerged underneath—but shredded. I'm impres…

It looks like the battery ran out, it didn't completely shred.

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by beerlord »

throw0101011 wrote: post #25

Not referring to this specific exhibit but other pieces by a similar artist. Thousands of people can create this kind of paintings for cheap. That it still sells for more than what many people can make in a decade or a career means a stratospheric concentration of wealth in society or a bubble in the commercial art world. If there is real scarcity because of climate change or other widespread disaster, how much can a…

Millions of children will starve because they are being born by women without access to contraception, without the intelligence/education to know that having multiple children without food security is a bad idea, or because they are forced to by their husbands.

Help solve those issues first if you must, and don't worry about paintings.

Re: An artwork by Banksy shredded itself after selling for $1.3M at Sotheby’s

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Post by fileeditview »

beerlord wrote: post #88
crooked-v wrote: post #2

> Banksy’s iconic Girl With Balloon (2006) attracted feverish bidding in the room and on the phones, racing past its high estimate of £300,000 to hammer at £860,000, or just over £1 million ($1.3 million with fees). As the gavel slammed, a siren rang out through the salesroom and everyone stood stunned as the Banksy canvas slid through the frame that it was contained in and emerged underneath—but shredded. I'm impres…

It looks like the battery ran out, it didn't completely shred.

Or maybe that was intentional so it's still "in one piece" and you can still hang it at the wall? That at least was my first thought.
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