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Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by ragequitta »

wlll wrote: post #50
ragequitta wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know I'm going to sound like a microsoft employee or apologist, but I really have no skin in the game. I want windows to be better, but I think people are just going to far with minor gripes. Windows 10 has been the least disruptive Windows OS I've ever used. Maybe it's because I don't need to mess around with many settings, but I have had exactly 0 problems. On a clean install I used O&O Shutup 10, change my mouse…

> minor gripes. This last update deleted people's data. Permanently. I have a windows 10 machine (for games), I installed it myself so it's got no pre-loaded shit, and yet it still bothers me about stuff. Onedrive, cortana, etc. etc. The UI is shitty like someone in MS has gone ERMAHGERD TERBLERTS and dumped a load of swipy touch screen UI into it, UI that is just frustrating on a normal regular computer. Also, I sho…

Do you know how many updates have deleted some people's data permanently? It was one of the top call drivers almost every update back in windows XP days. There's a good reason that backup ALL important files is a mantra among people who know what they're doing. No matter the OS, no matter the hardware, stuff WILL get deleted.

The UI is fine. Don't use onedrive or cortana, turned them off with one click and they've been off now for years. Not sure how 1 click every few years is a problem. And no idea what you mean about the swipey stuff (I use a mouse? I only click things? idk) but yes tablets are very popular these days and microsoft does have to accommodate them. Of course?

And what do you mean by fix the OS? I use O&O because I like what it does, but when I use a Win10 computer at work or at school it's not a big deal that it's not done. I don't feel like I'm working on a 'broken' OS out of the box. And if you're ever upset about Candy Crush advertisements on Win10..... try installing ANY app on MacOS (which heavily relies on the app store unlike win10) and see how many advertisements you run into before you're done.

Yes everything you've mentioned does seem like a rather minor gripe. Like some of them (onedrive and cortana) literally 1 click gripes.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by sjellis »

StreamBright wrote: post #56

I still does not understand why can't we separate out operating system from user content. It would be pretty simply just have OS snapshots that you can boot up and switch between them while having /home unchanged.

> I still does not understand why can't we separate out operating system from user content. It would be pretty simply just have OS snapshots that you can boot up and switch between them while having /home unchanged.

You can: https://silverblue.fedoraproject.org/

Some of the Silverblue developers at Red Hat have been using it as their working environment for a while, but there's still quite a few rough edges left. Once the key applications work 100% on Flatpak, it will probably be viable for a wider audience.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by mixedCase »

mrfredward wrote: post #40
Someguywhatever wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They treat it as the front page of Facebook. yes, well said. I find this especially annoying. They also nag me to install or try something, and the only thing that the nag messages are achieving is making me start to hate windows....

Yep. It's the built in "try office" notifications that keep turning themselves back on that make me crazy. Windows is a paid product, and has ads built in. Linux is free, no ads. Why do I put up with it... Visual studio and games. Windows as an OS just pisses me off, but every time I try to make Linux my primary OS, I realize how attached I am to things on the windows platform.

>Visual studio and games

Unless you're maintaining old .NET Framework apps, VS Code and/or CLion should cover all your needs when it comes to graphical IDEs. As far as games go, between native, Steam Proton and Lutris I've found no end to the amount of great games to play. Yesterday I started playing Overcooked 2 (native) with my wife, right after we finished the first one (regular Wine). I also play Overwatch (with Lutris) at least a couple of times a week which plays pretty great nowadays if I tone down the settings a bit, and been playing Doom 2016 (Steam Proton) which runs every bit as well as it does on Windows.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by sjellis »

Rjevski wrote: post #14
ashleyn wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compared to Linux the amount of bloat shipping with Windows 10 is simply unreal. Open up Task Manager on a fresh install and the only two questions I can ask are "What the fuck do half of these services actually do ?" and "Why is Windows Defender ALWAYS running up the CPU?" The start menu is loaded with trash like Candy Crush, which I can only guess is a revenue stream at the expense of user experience. You can't rid…

The thing is, Windows 10 is starting to look more and more like a Linux distribution. Half-assed and inconsistent UI, broken updates, etc. I'm fine with this in Linux, because it's built by people who donate their time for free, and might not be experts in UX, etc. But seeing the same in a commercial OS that Microsoft wants you to pay for is unacceptable.

> The thing is, Windows 10 is starting to look more and more like a Linux distribution. Half-assed and inconsistent UI, broken updates, etc.

Desktop engineering is hard (as Microsoft are demonstrating). There are a very small number of really good desktop distributions (Fedora, Solus, Ubuntu Mate, may be a couple of others), which are not inconsistent or half-assed, but the side-effect of Free Software is that any motivated developer can have a go and put out their own distribution.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by juststeve »

tyfon wrote: post #12
paulpauper wrote: post #9

windows 7..the last good Windows OS.

s/last/only Although I have a sweet spot for the windows xp x64 edition, it worked pretty good in the end too. After trying to deal with windows 10 I went 100% linux and started gaming on PS4 instead of my PC.

same, consoles for games, linux for everything else

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by SECProto »

ragequitta wrote: post #61
wlll wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> minor gripes. This last update deleted people's data. Permanently. I have a windows 10 machine (for games), I installed it myself so it's got no pre-loaded shit, and yet it still bothers me about stuff. Onedrive, cortana, etc. etc. The UI is shitty like someone in MS has gone ERMAHGERD TERBLERTS and dumped a load of swipy touch screen UI into it, UI that is just frustrating on a normal regular computer. Also, I sho…

Do you know how many updates have deleted some people's data permanently? It was one of the top call drivers almost every update back in windows XP days. There's a good reason that backup ALL important files is a mantra among people who know what they're doing. No matter the OS, no matter the hardware, stuff WILL get deleted. The UI is fine. Don't use onedrive or cortana, turned them off with one click and they've be…

Not OP but:

The "Try OneDrive!" And XBox Live shortcuts (and others maybe) in my start menu cannot be removed without using the command line.

Deleting users data after an update which they have no choice but to install (and not even a choice of when to install it) is, in fact, different than losing data after a user chooses to install an update. Shrugging and saying "they should've had a backup" is the epitome of entitled.

The only version of Windows 10 that performs correctly for a power user is the LTSB. Which is only officially available for large companies. You can actually control what the OS does, and when it does it (same as every other professional windows OS that I used).

And saying that having advertisements in the start menu out of the box isn't bad because a competitor has ads during installation... I don't know what to say. I guess, I thought I was allowed to want my OS to get better over time? Compared to previous versions, as well as competitors. There was quite a fuss about Xiaomi having ads in the settings app, pretty similar.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by GranPC »

ragequitta wrote: post #46
AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Windows 10 has been the least disruptive Windows OS I've ever used. As someone who used to like Windows, you must be living in some alternate reality. I can't tall you the number of things that routinely break in Win10 and then cannot be fixed without an in-place upgrade. Do a search for "Windows 10 start menu doesn't work". That one has happened to me a number of times and none of the "helpful" suggestions from MS…

In the spirit of "I bet I can find your problem in any windows OS" Windows 7: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2008331/windows-start... Windows XP: http://www.instant-registry-fixes.org/fix-windows-xp-start-m...

It's not about the problem ever happening, it's about how often it does.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by uxcolumbo »

I use both OSX and Windows.

Never experienced problems with W10 updates. Yes, eventual forced restarts are annoying - but I can see both sides, i.e. making sure users have latest security updates installed.

> They treat it as the front page of Facebook.

I never use the Windows start menu. I use:

- Total Commander

- WIN+Q

- WIN+X

And I also don't use a Microsoft account - when you install it just use a local account instead, just like you did when you installed older versions of Windows.

Re: Windows 10’s latest update is deleting some users’ documents

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Post by wlll »

ragequitta wrote: post #61
wlll wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> minor gripes. This last update deleted people's data. Permanently. I have a windows 10 machine (for games), I installed it myself so it's got no pre-loaded shit, and yet it still bothers me about stuff. Onedrive, cortana, etc. etc. The UI is shitty like someone in MS has gone ERMAHGERD TERBLERTS and dumped a load of swipy touch screen UI into it, UI that is just frustrating on a normal regular computer. Also, I sho…

Do you know how many updates have deleted some people's data permanently? It was one of the top call drivers almost every update back in windows XP days. There's a good reason that backup ALL important files is a mantra among people who know what they're doing. No matter the OS, no matter the hardware, stuff WILL get deleted. The UI is fine. Don't use onedrive or cortana, turned them off with one click and they've be…

> Do you know how many updates have deleted some people's data permanently?

One more than should have happened?

> It was one of the top call drivers almost every update back in windows XP days.

So you're saying that Microsoft had form for this and let another one through? That's pretty bad.

> There's a good reason that backup ALL important files is a mantra among people who know what they're doing.

Sure, I have at least two backups of my machine using different technologies and to different locations (and yet somehow OS X, or linux for that matter, has never actually deleted my files), I'm a techie, but most people don't because most people don't know what they're doing, and puffing out your chest and claiming technical superiority isn't going to help those people. As someone else pointed out, it's entitled.

> No matter the OS, no matter the hardware, stuff WILL get deleted.

Apparently if you use Windows it will.

> The UI

The UI is not fine, it's crap. It's been infected with tablety nonesense, and as I use a Mouse too it jars.

> tablets are very popular these days and microsoft does have to accommodate them. Of course?

That doesn't mean bits of my desktop OS needs to look like a tablet.

> And if you're ever upset about Candy Crush advertisements on Win10..... try installing ANY app on MacOS (which heavily relies on the app store unlike win10) and see how many advertisements you run into before you're done.

Of course there's some adverts in the App store, it's a store, and I expect to see them the couple of times a year I actually use it.

But day to day, when I turn on or log in to my machine, it's just that, my machine. Not someone elses machine that is a funnel for adverts.

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