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Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Google leadership, up and down, is filled with people who are of Jewish and Israeli heritage (or are married to them). What did you expect? Find me a Palestinian in any of their leadership team. I'm not suggesting they're intentionally doing this with google maps, but lacking a Palestinian voice, it's easy for Jewish and Israeli bias to take over.

that's an interesting (albeit classically racist) proposition. so, Jews control the banks, the media, tech, politics...

what do you think prevents "palestinean voices" from participating in those meritocratic endeavors?

PS: how do I flag racist comments?

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Google leadership, up and down, is filled with people who are of Jewish and Israeli heritage (or are married to them). What did you expect? Find me a Palestinian in any of their leadership team. I'm not suggesting they're intentionally doing this with google maps, but lacking a Palestinian voice, it's easy for Jewish and Israeli bias to take over.

that's an interesting (albeit classically racist) proposition. so, Jews control the banks, the media, tech, politics... what do you think prevents "palestinean voices" from participating in those meritocratic endeavors? PS: how do I flag racist comments?

What? How was this comment racist? I'm actually curious. Do you disagree that google has a strong jewish presence? I never said anything about them in banks, media, politics. All I did was search "google executive team" and looked through their wikipedia pages.

> what do you think prevents "palestinean voices" from participating in those meritocratic endeavors?

They're under a blockade by the Israelis, that'll do it.

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Google leadership, up and down, is filled with people who are of Jewish and Israeli heritage (or are married to them). What did you expect? Find me a Palestinian in any of their leadership team. I'm not suggesting they're intentionally doing this with google maps, but lacking a Palestinian voice, it's easy for Jewish and Israeli bias to take over.

that's an interesting (albeit classically racist) proposition. so, Jews control the banks, the media, tech, politics... what do you think prevents "palestinean voices" from participating in those meritocratic endeavors? PS: how do I flag racist comments?

By clicking flag, which I did on your comment.

`Whites control the banks, the media, tech, politics

What do you think prevents “black voices” from participating in those meritocratic endeavors?” `

Are you implying that Palestinians are somehow inferior and therefore have less merit for representation?

I’m black and I see white supremacy folks use that sort of logic all the time.

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tensions were running high: over 100 Palestinians, nearly two dozen of them minors, had been killed in the preceding two weeks in violent protests with Israelis forces in Ramallah,[11] and four days earlier, the badly beaten body of Issam Hamad (36) had been dumped outside of the city after being run over by a car, an autopsy revealed. His death, according to Marwan Bishara of Al Jazeera, was attributed by locals to…

9/10 on mental gymnastics. > Israel kills and injures 100s of Palestinians, Palestinians try to stop angry mob. Somehow Israel is not at fault. the palestineans actions were so virtuous, yet they found the need to break the reporter's camera, and threaten the italian news agency into not reporting about the lynch. you may claim that the IDF committed crimes (a discussion for another time) but lynching is at the same…

Do we simply ignore Israel's illegal occupation, and the oppression of the people of Palestine?

I suppose that does provide better framing to pick out and criticise an individual act by the Palestinians.

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tensions were running high: over 100 Palestinians, nearly two dozen of them minors, had been killed in the preceding two weeks in violent protests with Israelis forces in Ramallah,[11] and four days earlier, the badly beaten body of Issam Hamad (36) had been dumped outside of the city after being run over by a car, an autopsy revealed. His death, according to Marwan Bishara of Al Jazeera, was attributed by locals to…

9/10 on mental gymnastics. > Israel kills and injures 100s of Palestinians, Palestinians try to stop angry mob. Somehow Israel is not at fault. the palestineans actions were so virtuous, yet they found the need to break the reporter's camera, and threaten the italian news agency into not reporting about the lynch. you may claim that the IDF committed crimes (a discussion for another time) but lynching is at the same…

That's gymnastics.

Other crime being committed is not a defense, even a justification for the broader picture here.

That's what this perpetually comes back to. "Palestine cannot not be occupied, oppressed, etc. If we try it, they'll just attack Israel." It's pathetic.

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Google leadership, up and down, is filled with people who are of Jewish and Israeli heritage (or are married to them). What did you expect? Find me a Palestinian in any of their leadership team. I'm not suggesting they're intentionally doing this with google maps, but lacking a Palestinian voice, it's easy for Jewish and Israeli bias to take over.

Bias confirmed. According to Google Maps "Quick Facts": Poland is a place of Jewish heritage, and not much else...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Poland/

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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Google leadership, up and down, is filled with people who are of Jewish and Israeli heritage (or are married to them). What did you expect? Find me a Palestinian in any of their leadership team. I'm not suggesting they're intentionally doing this with google maps, but lacking a Palestinian voice, it's easy for Jewish and Israeli bias to take over.

It’s a bit of a reality bias, for most poeple’s living memory. Politics and what people wish were true aside, the outcome for Palestinians is more or less a forgone conclusion. Acknowledging what is rather than a fantasy of what think should be isn’t really a bias, it’s reporting facts. In the same way that fact sheets on America will talk a lot about what America is today, and not a history lesson about how it was colonized by Europeans.

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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9/10 on mental gymnastics. > Israel kills and injures 100s of Palestinians, Palestinians try to stop angry mob. Somehow Israel is not at fault. the palestineans actions were so virtuous, yet they found the need to break the reporter's camera, and threaten the italian news agency into not reporting about the lynch. you may claim that the IDF committed crimes (a discussion for another time) but lynching is at the same…

Do we simply ignore Israel's illegal occupation, and the oppression of the people of Palestine? I suppose that does provide better framing to pick out and criticise an individual act by the Palestinians.

At what point do we stop calling it an occupation, like it’s a temporary state of affairs, and call it what it is? None of us live in a land that was free from a history (some very recent) of violent conquest, and to be clear I know I’m taking a purely amoral stance here. I’m not saying that Israel is the “good guy” I’m just noting that they clearly won, and international fantasies aside, that’s done.

So when is it just a conquest and not an occupation? 70 more years? 170? When does Israel stop being a special case the rest of the world uses as a distraction from their own recent history of violent conquest? Do you seriously think Palestinians have a future that isn’t as a diaspora of refugees? If we’re just into pure quality of life, I’d argue that resettlement in Jordan, SA, Egypt and other neighbors would be better than leaving them stuffed into a few small regions of a country they no longer control and never will again. Of course then they can’t be used by oppressive Arab regimes as a scapegoat and distraction.

I want to say that I realize how unpopular this view is likely to be here, and I’d just ask that you set aside what you want to be, and just consider what is. I’m not arguing for the right or wrong of the situation, just the reality and immutability of it. I don’t think it’s very fair that the U.S. is built on the graves of a whole series of cultures and peoples, but I also recognize that calling the U.S. an occupying force would be a farce.

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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that's an interesting (albeit classically racist) proposition. so, Jews control the banks, the media, tech, politics... what do you think prevents "palestinean voices" from participating in those meritocratic endeavors? PS: how do I flag racist comments?

What? How was this comment racist? I'm actually curious. Do you disagree that google has a strong jewish presence? I never said anything about them in banks, media, politics. All I did was search "google executive team" and looked through their wikipedia pages. > what do you think prevents "palestinean voices" from participating in those meritocratic endeavors? They're under a blockade by the Israelis, that'll do it.

one thing is to say: Google leadership is there thanks to their talents and accomplishments; many of them happen to be Jewish. other thing is what you said:

> Google leadership, up and down, is filled with people who are of Jewish and Israeli heritage (or are married to them). What did you expect? Find me a Palestinian in any of their leadership team

your version implies that they are at leadership positions _because_ they are Jewish, and furthermore there can't be any palestinean for the same reason.

as for the "blockade" - newsflash: there are people of palestinean heritage living in the US leading very successful lives

Re: Lost in Occupation: How Google Maps Is Erasing Palestine

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yes, maps are important. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching#Inciden...

I agree, try these: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mapstellstory.... My link is actually to maps.

The amount of land lost by Palestine since 1947, and the tacit approval by the West is something we should be ashamed of.

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