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Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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Why is there so much political activism inside tech companies? Shouldn't this person actually do something wrong at his job before the mob goes after him? How long before you can't be an executive if you hunt, or eat meat?

You must be thinking: this is a typical conservative appointment, so there shouldn't be this much furor over it. Bullshit. Kavanaugh has been decried by the ACLU, a number of bar associations, several law schools, countless other judges, and even his own roommates. The Republicans in power don't care in the slightest. And this has been the modus operandi of the entire party since the second half of Obama's term (and probably earlier). Meanwhile, all this is getting rapidly normalized in the public eye by the relentless parroting of the "both sides" fallacy.

It's good that people are protesting. I hope they protest even louder. Authoritarians should not feel welcome.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I read it all. You can't prove any of that as false. The article is a biased hit piece making allegations that are not provable. In fact, it makes assertions that have been refuted already by other people who were in K's circle of friends and some who were not (devil's triangle). BTW, I'm not asserting that it is impossible that reasonable people might listen to his testimony and think he was lying. Calling something…

I'm not the person you're replying to but I find it terribly sad to see how much you folks (Americans) lowered the bar to accepting someone into the supreme court. Partisanship is ok. Off-the-handle emotional responses are ok. Continuous strings of allegations "no big deal cause we don't have a cryptographically-signed videotape of it". That 2400 law professors [0], groups like Human Rights Watch [1], the National Co…

No one actually cares what any of those organizations say. Literally no one, not republican or democrat, could care any less what they say unless they happen to align with their political ideology.

Second, the notion of "republican candidates" or "republican justices" (Stevens was not a conservative, or right leaning, he simply happened to be appointed by a republican president) as justices on the supreme court shows an absolute misunderstanding of the purpose of the institution.

There is a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of the court betrayed by this comment. The court is supposed to be non-partisan and not beholden to politicians. The left has cranked up the smear machine in response to every Constitutionalist judge nominated to the court since (and including) Clarence Thomas -- it only appears "republican" or "democrat" because republican presidents appoint judges more often who respect the Constitution as it was written and democrat presidents appoint judges more often who believe the Constitution should be rewritten through the misuse of the judiciary.

Kavanaugh will be a party line vote, and a lot of it will be reaction to the left wing of the senate's behavior in the judiciary committee. note that the right does not, in general, do this -- Kagen, Sotomayor, and Ginsburg were all significant majority votes in spite of their political ideology differences.

Elections have consequences (that's a quote from President Obama), and Constitutionalist judges are being nominated. The smear machinery is going to be brought against any Constitutionalist judge, no matter who it is, because of the political controversy over Roe v. Wade, which is in reality what this entire confirmation circus at this point is about.

At this point the US Senate has in essence abdicated its role in advice and consent to the President and turned confirmations into a political farce -- that's not how it's supposed to be, no matter what political ideology one may hold.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I'm not the person you're replying to but I find it terribly sad to see how much you folks (Americans) lowered the bar to accepting someone into the supreme court. Partisanship is ok. Off-the-handle emotional responses are ok. Continuous strings of allegations "no big deal cause we don't have a cryptographically-signed videotape of it". That 2400 law professors [0], groups like Human Rights Watch [1], the National Co…

No one actually cares what any of those organizations say. Literally no one, not republican or democrat, could care any less what they say unless they happen to align with their political ideology. Second, the notion of "republican candidates" or "republican justices" (Stevens was not a conservative, or right leaning, he simply happened to be appointed by a republican president) as justices on the supreme court shows…

> Literally no one, not republican or democrat, could care any less what they say unless they happen to align with their political ideology

You're projecting. People do care. Republican voters at large, don't, and consequentially think that nobody else does. This isn't a "but the democrats are the same!" kind of thing. That "smear machinery" you talk about was not there during Gorsuch's nomination. We're talking about someone who's not qualified to be judge, and if he were an ultra-liberal, he would not be any more qualified.

Please take a hard look at what you just said in your post and think about how crazy and indoctrinated you sound. You're literally dismissing what an ex-supreme justice has to say on the matter of who is qualified to be on the supreme court.

And yes I do understand the nonpartisanship of the supreme court. cf my comment here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18149174). But if it's nonpartisan, why is the GOP so intent on electing this guy, of all people? Not a more competent republican, not a more competent democrat, or independent. This guy.

Again I have to stress this: I have no horse in this race. If the US burns, it doesn't affect me in the slightest. I'm watching from the outside, how people fall for propaganda; kinda like you watch North Koreans fall for propaganda, because that's all they hear, all they see, all the time.

Be more curious and open minded... that either scares you (and that should make you think), or it doesn't, and if so, go for it. Be the north korean who takes the risk.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I'm not the person you're replying to but I find it terribly sad to see how much you folks (Americans) lowered the bar to accepting someone into the supreme court. Partisanship is ok. Off-the-handle emotional responses are ok. Continuous strings of allegations "no big deal cause we don't have a cryptographically-signed videotape of it". That 2400 law professors [0], groups like Human Rights Watch [1], the National Co…

No one actually cares what any of those organizations say. Literally no one, not republican or democrat, could care any less what they say unless they happen to align with their political ideology. Second, the notion of "republican candidates" or "republican justices" (Stevens was not a conservative, or right leaning, he simply happened to be appointed by a republican president) as justices on the supreme court shows…

I said organizations, Justice Stevens is not an organization.

Those organizations have no authority or credibility anywhere. Democrats care about what they say this week because they align with their political ideology -- which as I said should not be a factor in this discussion. Read carefully what I actually wrote.

Many people who want justices on the court who follow the Constitution disagree with Justice Stevens. That's just the way it is, and Justice Stevens was never a Constitutionalist Justice. You misunderstand him, believing him to be a "republican judge" when the concept of such a thing should not exist.

Those who hate Kavanaugh's "politics" are likely to get what they asked for if they are successful in keeping him off the court. Judge Barrett is so far to the right of him she makes him look like a communist -- and the knives are already out for her because she's a Catholic.

Judge Kavanaugh is actually somewhat of a moderate, if you read his decisions. He's simply unlikely to vote to keep Roe v Wade, and he's replacing the swing vote on that issue that has kept it in place for the last 20 years or so, and thus the knives have to come out -- Gorsuch wasn't quite so controversial (although they tried with him as well), because he was replacing an already conservative justice. In fact, Gorsuch is probably a bit less so than Scalia was. Scalia was a consensus builder, but he was famous for his absolute dedication to the doctrine that the Constitution is a dead document and it means exactly what it says and nothing further.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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Why is there so much political activism inside tech companies? Shouldn't this person actually do something wrong at his job before the mob goes after him? How long before you can't be an executive if you hunt, or eat meat?

You must be thinking: this is a typical conservative appointment, so there shouldn't be this much furor over it. Bullshit. Kavanaugh has been decried by the ACLU, a number of bar associations, several law schools, countless other judges, and even his own roommates. The Republicans in power don't care in the slightest. And this has been the modus operandi of the entire party since the second half of Obama's term (and…

From what I understand he is accused of some crime 30 years ago, after being a very public person for decades, with no corroborating evidence.

In my personal worldview and culture that makes him an innocent man, and he should not be disrespected in this manner. My values are certainly not in need of the ACLU's approval. I don't put stock in the opinions of institutions, just in the facts as they relate to the allegations.

No idea what's happening in America right now. I've always assumed my worldview was shaped by English common law, and the great principles it puts forth like presumption of innocence, individual rights, etc.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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post #82

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No one actually cares what any of those organizations say. Literally no one, not republican or democrat, could care any less what they say unless they happen to align with their political ideology. Second, the notion of "republican candidates" or "republican justices" (Stevens was not a conservative, or right leaning, he simply happened to be appointed by a republican president) as justices on the supreme court shows…

I said organizations, Justice Stevens is not an organization. Those organizations have no authority or credibility anywhere. Democrats care about what they say this week because they align with their political ideology -- which as I said should not be a factor in this discussion. Read carefully what I actually wrote. Many people who want justices on the court who follow the Constitution disagree with Justice Stevens.…

> Democrats care about what they say this week because they align with their political ideology

What Brett Kavanaugh's former classmates, or a bunch of law professors, have to say on the matter is indeed irrelevant for most things. But it is relevant here.

Just like you would want to listen to computer security experts when talking about computer security laws.

I mean, I see what you're saying, and yes I agree with you that either way there's no free PR for those with "opposed political values" these days. But it's still relevant.

> You misunderstand him, believing him to be a "republican judge" when the concept of such a thing should not exist.

I want to clarify my earlier statements, and this goes for Stevens as well as Kavanaugh. When I say "Republican judge", I mean "Judge appointed by republicans, with an implicit political calculation that they will uphold pro-republican decisions". This is what has become of the court and there's no pretense around it anymore, and why I was saying in my initial post that I find it sad.

But if we agree that nonpartisanship is important, then I do not understand how you defend the actions of a man who, instead of addressing allegations in a calm and composed way, cried, yelled, and blamed "the democrats" for "a revenge for the clintons". How the fuck is that nonpartisan?

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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You must be thinking: this is a typical conservative appointment, so there shouldn't be this much furor over it. Bullshit. Kavanaugh has been decried by the ACLU, a number of bar associations, several law schools, countless other judges, and even his own roommates. The Republicans in power don't care in the slightest. And this has been the modus operandi of the entire party since the second half of Obama's term (and…

From what I understand he is accused of some crime 30 years ago, after being a very public person for decades, with no corroborating evidence. In my personal worldview and culture that makes him an innocent man, and he should not be disrespected in this manner. My values are certainly not in need of the ACLU's approval. I don't put stock in the opinions of institutions, just in the facts as they relate to the allegat…

What I’m hearing is that your values are ultimately driven by your feelings, as opposed to numerous first-hand accounts testifying to this person’s character, or even the words coming from his own mouth.

Sexual assault allegations aside, Kavanaugh acted—and has acted—like a partisan hack and an entitled frat boy, and has almost certainly lied under oath. He is plainly unfit for the Supreme Court, innocent or not.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I said organizations, Justice Stevens is not an organization. Those organizations have no authority or credibility anywhere. Democrats care about what they say this week because they align with their political ideology -- which as I said should not be a factor in this discussion. Read carefully what I actually wrote. Many people who want justices on the court who follow the Constitution disagree with Justice Stevens.…

> Democrats care about what they say this week because they align with their political ideology What Brett Kavanaugh's former classmates, or a bunch of law professors, have to say on the matter is indeed irrelevant for most things. But it is relevant here. Just like you would want to listen to computer security experts when talking about computer security laws. I mean, I see what you're saying, and yes I agree with y…

The ABA actually endorsed him, and that carries a great deal more weight than what a bunch of law professors say. Again, partisans being partisan.

Maybe you've never been accused of something like what Judge Kavanaugh was accused of. In general, his defense was relatively rational and composed for what it was. And the comments about the democrats and the Clintons was probably correct -- he knows where all the bodies are buried on that front having been in the Bush White House.

The whole thing has been a democrat hatchet job from the day he was nominated.

I'm not a democrat or a republican by the way -- I think in general most of the people in the government from both parties tend to be power hungry narcissists.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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I don't understand this. Kavanaugh hasnt been proven to be guilty. There are credible allegations which demand a further investigation as is being conducted by the FBI. Beyond that apart from his clumsiness at the testimony there isnt much going on against him. If these people are so data driven how come they choose to believe things for which we have no evidence. You may mock him for losing his cool but thats just a…

It's not a criminal trial, he doesn't have to be proven guilty of anything.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

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> By your argument a content slave owner could by proud of his thriving cotton economy, and justifiably believe his political support for this system should have no consequences. This is the strawman. I said nothing about slave owners. I'm talking about your average, middle class citizen (since that's who's being accused of taking a political stance through inaction). > If you know you're supporting people that activ…

Were those in the slave economy not regular citizens? Did they not elect slave owners to represent them? Help catch runaway slaves? And do white people today still support the mass incarceration of black people? White people have mj prescriptions and black people serve time for selling dime bags. Generations of men are unemployable because of petty crime convictions that were ramped up to be major felonies by 'law an…

Could you please post civil bytes instead of angry ones? This muddled back-and-forth is in need of charity.

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