Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 112 posts

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#21

Post by firic »

g8oz wrote: post #19
chrisco255 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to presume Kavanaugh's innocence because no witness has come forward to corroborate any claims. In the meantime, the Democrats skewered a man for every inside joke he made in his High school yearbook with his buddies. They were picking apart his actions as a child. They weren't asking questions related to the allegations. They were trying to assassinate his character. That's fucked up I don't care who you are…

>>We have to presume Kavanaugh's innocence because no witness has come forward to corroborate any claims. By the standards of criminal proceedings, yes. But this is a job interview, the standards for disqualifying someone are lower.

Imagine if every time you wanted to apply for a competitive job you would get rejected simply because some woman claimed that you raped her.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#23

Post by yostrovs »

RickS wrote: post #11
tomcam wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it extremist to support Kavanaugh?

Maybe. I would argue after watching the hearing that anyone who so blatantly ignores the obvious intent of questions asked of them, rather than attempting to pursue and convey the truth in earnest, regardless of their guilt, is unqualified to enforce justice at the highest level in America. I struggle to imagine a credible reason to look past this conduct, and would be interested in hearing a take on it. To be clear,…

He was not being asked to be a level headed neutral judge. He was accused and made a party to a case. He acted like an innocent accused person on whom vile claims were placed. The accusers acted like witch hunters and did their best to crack open Kavanaugh psychologically. Those people shouldn't be in their positions rather than Kavanaugh shouldn't be where he's going.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#24

Post by yostrovs »

RickS wrote: post #17
SiVal wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

blatantly ignores the obvious intent of questions asked of them The "obvious intent of the questions" is to block his nomination by any means they can come up with, as was made clear months ago by the protest signs printed with a blank where the name would be inserted just as soon as the name of the nominee was announced. Anyone who blatantly ignores the obvious intent of these questions has an agenda other than find…

I'm going to make a distinction here, between "what they're asking" and "why they're asking". Let's say, for the sake of argument, that you're right about "why they're asking:", and he's being asked questions that are intentionally constructed to lead to dark places, trip him up, and paint him in a negative light. Nevertheless, I think any layperson can detect "what they're asking". A person interviewed for SCOTUS, i…

He gave straight answers during the hearings, before the rape accusations. The trial, of course, was and should have been different. He was accused and acted like a human.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#25

Post by chrisco255 »

RickS wrote: post #16
chrisco255 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to presume Kavanaugh's innocence because no witness has come forward to corroborate any claims. In the meantime, the Democrats skewered a man for every inside joke he made in his High school yearbook with his buddies. They were picking apart his actions as a child. They weren't asking questions related to the allegations. They were trying to assassinate his character. That's fucked up I don't care who you are…

My comment was specific and deliberate in presuming his innocence, which, to reiterate, I do. I was also deliberate in my pointing-out that many of the questions asked of him could be perceived as being in bad faith. Whether that's so is quite subjective. Your "inside joke" is other people's "description of a sex act". For the same reason we can't truly know Kav's innocence or guilt, we can't know whether the jokes a…

Not if all standards of due process and normal jurisprudence were thrown out the fucking window.

These allegations were held in the pocket as a political football instead of being handed over to a bipartisan committee and investigated by the FBI from the get go.

Feinstein's unethical manipulation of this allegation in the handling of Dr. Ford and outright lies about her alleged fear of flying in order to prevent her being forensically interviewed, like a normal case, are inexcusable.

The Democrats had two months to hatch a plan while Kavanaugh's life got turned upside down in less than a week. That's a legal ambush, complete with an angry mob. It's not just at all.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#26

Post by Dancecity »

g8oz wrote: post #18
lillesvin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People being good at their jobs isn't the only thing that matters if you're working under their direction. Especially if they're also a large part of the company's public image. If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. If the CEO wants to change anything because of that is entirely up to him/her, just like how people are free to resign i…

>>If people are uncomfortable with their CEO eating meat then they should be free to ask about it and voice their opinions. But really, who would be that obnoxious?

Is this sarcasm or have you never met vegans?

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#27

Post by dexen »

keiferski wrote: post #9

It’s interesting to see that today’s business culture is essentially the opposite of “professional”, in the sense of “not-personal.” These kinds of conflicts are inevitable when you start mixing personal and professional value systems. I would not be surprised to see a return to a strict professional/ personal divide in the near future.

I agree with your assessment and prognosis, and look forward to employers and employees being held to somewhat higher standard of mutual tolerance (even if begrudging) and cooperation, and generally keeping it business-first while on the clock. If one wishes to protest or take other political action, sure, take a day off and head to D.C. or other visible public space.

A throw-away thought: business attire used to be a clear distinction between the time in official capacity, and the private time. With that mostly gone in tech, and given the 24/7 cellphone, email & IM connection, the distinction between workplace and personal doesn't feel all that clear.

That being said, there exists an idea that "the personal is political"[1]; politics supposedly permeate all of one's life. It is further expanded to claim that anybody who is able to avoid mixing politics with daily activities, or able to avoid strongly siding with a political, is benefiting from the current power structure (aka "the system"), and further reinforces said system by staying passive. I think there's a small grain of truth to it, but when becomes an overriding concern and disruptive to teamwork[2] or family & social life[3], something went very wrong.

--

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_personal_is_political

[2] as in people asking for firing of others, or refusing to work with with or mentor others

[3] recently a "Divorce your Republican husbands." tweet made rounds. Not linking it as it feels too incendiary for HN.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#28

Post by collyw »

gassed wrote: post #14
mjfl wrote: post #6

There are probably a good number of Republican voters hired at Facebook. Most of those employees will be supporting Kavanaugh's nomination. There are obviously many Democrat voters employed at Facebook who won't be supporting Kavanaugh. Anyone who finds either of these two facts unacceptable should immediately walk away from their jobs or be terminated. The only alternative is to accept that there is effectively a ci…

I don't think anybody in the tech industry has the balls to come out as a Republican. The backlash would be awful. Thank God votes are secret, still.

That's pretty scary when you think about it.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#29

Post by jcadam »

RickS wrote: post #16
chrisco255 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to presume Kavanaugh's innocence because no witness has come forward to corroborate any claims. In the meantime, the Democrats skewered a man for every inside joke he made in his High school yearbook with his buddies. They were picking apart his actions as a child. They weren't asking questions related to the allegations. They were trying to assassinate his character. That's fucked up I don't care who you are…

My comment was specific and deliberate in presuming his innocence, which, to reiterate, I do. I was also deliberate in my pointing-out that many of the questions asked of him could be perceived as being in bad faith. Whether that's so is quite subjective. Your "inside joke" is other people's "description of a sex act". For the same reason we can't truly know Kav's innocence or guilt, we can't know whether the jokes a…

> But when Leahy pressed him, repeatedly over a span of excruciatingly long minutes, to explicitly request and comply with an investigation, and Kavanaugh dodged and bent over backwards to avoid doing such a thing

Because it was an obvious trap and he was right to avoid stepping into it.

Re: Zuckerberg Faces Anger Over Facebook Executive’s Kavanaugh Support

#30

Post by bvadams »

dexen wrote: post #27
keiferski wrote: post #9

It’s interesting to see that today’s business culture is essentially the opposite of “professional”, in the sense of “not-personal.” These kinds of conflicts are inevitable when you start mixing personal and professional value systems. I would not be surprised to see a return to a strict professional/ personal divide in the near future.

I agree with your assessment and prognosis, and look forward to employers and employees being held to somewhat higher standard of mutual tolerance (even if begrudging) and cooperation, and generally keeping it business-first while on the clock. If one wishes to protest or take other political action, sure, take a day off and head to D.C. or other visible public space. A throw-away thought: business attire used to be…

If the personal is political then we have no refuge from politics. And the only people that say this are the type that want only their specific brands of politics to dominate public and private life.
Post reply on HN