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IQ Matters Less Than You Think

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Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#121
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Of course IQ isn’t a measure of success. Success is a measure of success.

This remark is either really smart, or really dumb, depending on how you interpret it.

I think that this comment refers to Goodhart's Law[1], so I would place my money on smart.

[1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/EbFABnst8LsidYs5Y/goodhart-t...

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MENSA?

I'm not at the level required for MENSA (140 in the UK) but all I heard when I looked into it is it's a bunch of pretty dysfunctional people trying to one-up each other. I already have Reddit and HN for that :-D

I was in Mensa for a few years but wasn't getting much out of it so I dropped it. I would have dropped it sooner, but my mother liked doing the puzzles in the newsletter. I have had the good fortune to have smart friends and work with a lot of very smart people so I have never been starved for intellectual stimulation. But not everyone is so lucky, and it soon became clear to me from letters in the Mensa newsletter that it was a godsend to bright people living in small, rural communities who had no one around who understood them. We now have on-line communities that can provide similar companionship for isolated intelligent people, without having to join a formal society like Mensa.

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#123
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm around 150, and I don't consider myself smarter than Feynman. And I'm no savant, am socially well adjusted, and not on the autism scale. This, among many other data points, has led me to question the entire concept of IQ. The measurement of IQ borders on pseudo-science. It measures something, but what exactly? Everyone has a different answer. Ok, sure, intelligence. Now try to define "intelligence" empirically. W…

You don't need to "define" it in some philosophical sense to use it. Compare "mass". What is mass? Can you really define it? You can say what it does, but what "is" it? Well, nobody can define it, except in terms of the things that it does . Because those are all we see of it. We can measure it, we see those measurements let us predict other outcomes. So we can use our knowledge of mass in practical, predictive ways…

You're not measuring; "intelligence". You're measuring someone's ability to perform well in a very contrived test. A test that no one could even take without a very specific education experience.

So in that context, I'm sure the results are robust. But I don't think that means much

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#124

Well, I like to think persistence matters more but getting into top 1% of everything requires more than determination. 1. Going from bad to good requires x amount of effort/persistence. 2. Going from good to best requires 1000x amount of effort. When you've put 800x amount of effort, you'll realize this harsh bitter fact. You have already given up on your hobbies, family, social life, ... and you are still considered…

Very much this - average genes, hard work, and sacrifice can generally guarantee upper middle class (barring accidents). Basically, all you need to get there is being a good cog in the machine. That is to say - you come in groomed, you do your job, you study or take night classes, you don't spend your money on having a life, you don't make mistakes which come with fun. Eventually, you will get to your $100,000/year a…

you are very naive. plenty of these 'really low IQ people' eventually do make it to 100,000 as a result of deception, coercion, wacky HR not understanding anything, etc. think trump. the vast majority of jobs are bullshit and play acting.

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#125
post #10

I know a few people with >130 IQ and they all have executive disfunction and anxiety problems. So yes, the best CPU doesn't help if the IO is constantly blocked.

This seems like a classic Simpson's paradox.

Suppose that people associate with people of roughly equal "success in life". And suppose both IQ and executive function correlate positively with success. Then, at a given level of success, IQ and executive function would be negatively correlated, and so it would appear to an individual surveying their "peer" group.

Basically, consider what would happen if those high IQ individuals you knew combined their intelligence with an even mental keel and extreme conscientiousness. Lucky people like that do exist, but in rarified heights (financial/professional/whatever they choose to optimize for) rarely encountered by us mortals, and so you likely wouldn't have had the chance to meet them

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#127
The smartest people I know discover what is important to them in life and set up their life to pursue those interests. They may or may not be interests that make them famous in their fields, but if you define success as living a happy, satisfying life, they are succeeding at their top capacity.

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#128
post #10

I know a few people with >130 IQ and they all have executive disfunction and anxiety problems. So yes, the best CPU doesn't help if the IO is constantly blocked.

Yes, exactly. The car analogy I've always heard is that a huge engine is good, but how much horsepower can the car actually get to the rear tires?

I think the way we can measure "outcomes" is also highly debatable. Is becoming a wise monk with no possessions good or bad? What about a successful and influential CEO who is miserable?

Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#129
post #10

I know a few people with >130 IQ and they all have executive disfunction and anxiety problems. So yes, the best CPU doesn't help if the IO is constantly blocked.

> I know a few people with >130 IQ and they all have executive disfunction and anxiety problems. Title of the article isn't "High IQ always makes you successful" Correct examples for claim in the title would be low IQ ppl becoming very succesful. Anyone know any low IQ successful ppl ?

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Re: IQ Matters Less Than You Think

#130
post #19

Can someone do a test for willpower/hardwork? I think that would be a useful indicator. I was a B student, but I've accomplished more than A students now that I'm approaching my 30s.

I just started one for you. Now it's up to you to figure out, what has to be done and do it. Let me know when you think you have finished the test, and we will evaluate it.

Interesting.

I have no incentive to do the test, so I wont.

My willpower is based on consequences?

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