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Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by majewsky »

hndamien wrote: post #240
hndamien wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech for tactile feedback on touch screens exist today. https://www.theverge.com/ces/2017/1/5/14185134/tanvas-touchs...

Not sure I understand the downvotes with no comment...? Maybe a video is more convincing... https://youtu.be/JelhR2iPuw0?t=17s Or this from BMW.... https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/15/bmws-holoactive-touch-in-c... Or Ultrahaptics... https://www.ultrahaptics.com/

The downvotes are probably because your proposed solution is ridiculously overengineered. Knobs have worked well for centuries.

Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by bebna »

majewsky wrote: post #247
ghouse wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Superchargers in CA cost $0.25/kWh. The model 3 averages If you charge at home, overnight, you pay about $0.125/kWh, which extends the operating cost advantage further.

> Gas in CA is also expensive -- $3.64/gallon in San Jose. Tangential: I'm always baffled that Americans consider prices like this expensive. In Germany, gas goes for €1.20-€1.50 per liter (which is $5.22-$6.52 per gallon).

Where do you get those prices? Since months[1] it is more like 1.45-1.60€/l ($6.311-$6.964/gal) for regular petrol.

In 1.519€/l($6.611/gal) are 0.8678€/l($3.777/gal) taxes[2].

What they see as a expensive price, we only pay to the fiskus alone!

[1] https://ich-tanke.de/statistik/

[2] https://service.aral.de/netto-spritpreise

Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by majewsky »

bebna wrote: post #252
majewsky wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gas in CA is also expensive -- $3.64/gallon in San Jose. Tangential: I'm always baffled that Americans consider prices like this expensive. In Germany, gas goes for €1.20-€1.50 per liter (which is $5.22-$6.52 per gallon).

Where do you get those prices? Since months[1] it is more like 1.45-1.60€/l ($6.311-$6.964/gal) for regular petrol. In 1.519€/l($6.611/gal) are 0.8678€/l($3.777/gal) taxes[2]. What they see as a expensive price, we only pay to the fiskus alone! [1] https://ich-tanke.de/statistik/ [2] https://service.aral.de/netto-spritpreise

> Where do you get those prices?

From memory. I don't have a car (or a driver's license, for that matter), but I drive by gas stations sometimes.

> What they see as a expensive price, we only pay to the fiskus alone!

I find it hard to believe that the US does not have any taxes on gas whatsoever.

Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by fooker »

HBlix wrote: post #49
natchiketa wrote: post #39

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Musk has said that it's his 'favorite next product': https://electrek.co/guides/tesla-pickup-truck/

Elon Musk says a lot of things, I’ll believe that they have a viable pickup when it’s rolling off the assembly lines. I’m also not sure that the market for pickups will care too much about having an EV. All in all it’s a very different market with a different customer base than luxury sedans.

>Elon Musk says a lot of things

Like landing first stages, apparently. Crazy guy.

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Post by tim333 »

hndamien wrote: post #206
SEJeff wrote: post #192

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Things EVs lack or have less chances of breaking: * Fanbelts * Flywheels * Transmissions * Oil Changes * Brakes / Brake pads (regenerative breaking makes them last a lot longer) * Transmissions * Spark Plugs and wires When there are less moving parts, there is less chance of them breaking. It really is as simple as that.

Alternator, it's always the alternator.

The motors in the Tesla basically act as alternators. I hope they last longer. It's funny with alternators that the heavy mechanical bit is always ok and it's the semiconductors that have packed up but they try to make you replace the whole thing.

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Post by resters »

twblalock wrote: post #184
resters wrote: post #161

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So you are arguing that without that capital Musk would not have been able to raise money from the private sector?

Yes, definitely. It would have been a very hard sell at that time.

Perhaps, but if you consider that shortly after most of the automakers would go bankrupt, Musk would then have been in a very powerful position and would easily have been able to find private capital to help him extract the most useful 20% of value from some of the bankrupt companies for use by Tesla.

Private investors did not want to invest in outdated infrastructure and overburdened pension programs, which is why the government bailout was "needed" in the first place.

But if bankruptcy had been allowed to proceed, the best bits would have gone to the highest bidder, and Musk was well positioned to become the highest bidder.

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Post by falcolas »

ghouse wrote: post #191
xltk wrote: post #90

I personally wouldn't purchase a Model 3. I rented the long range version for a round-trip trip from San Francisco to Sacramento (about 90 miles/2 hours each way). The main things that stood out: - Changing volume and airflow through the central touchscreen were much more challenging than the physical knobs and buttons most cars have. I'd even argue they were distracting and dangerous to use while driving. I don't be…

Superchargers in CA cost $0.25/kWh. The model 3 averages If you charge at home, overnight, you pay about $0.125/kWh, which extends the operating cost advantage further.

Does the supercharger charge the same taxes as gasoline? If not, I'd expect those costs to go up fairly dramatically as electric cars become more common on the road.

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Post by specialist »

xltk wrote: post #90

I personally wouldn't purchase a Model 3. I rented the long range version for a round-trip trip from San Francisco to Sacramento (about 90 miles/2 hours each way). The main things that stood out: - Changing volume and airflow through the central touchscreen were much more challenging than the physical knobs and buttons most cars have. I'd even argue they were distracting and dangerous to use while driving. I don't be…

"...I felt the driving experience was subpar."

I test drove a BMW i3 (via ReachNow). I was piqued by Sandy Munro's tear down of both the i3 and Tesla 3. My first electric car (bigger than a golf cart).

I hated it.

The regenerative breaking felt all wrong. I thought something was wrong with the car, like I had left the brakes on. Worse, I'm used to coasting on the highway. And the i3 requires active acceleration.

My conclusion is that I'll have to relearn how to drive. My transition from ICE to EV will be comparable to moving from manual to automatic transmission.

(Gods, I miss manual transmissions. My left foot still doesn't know what it's supposed to be doing.)

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Post by whamlastxmas »

SEJeff wrote: post #192
mrfusion wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not convinced on the lower maintenance costs. Can you speak to that a bit? It seems like there’s still a lot that can go wrong and you’re stuck paying whatever tesla wants to charge you to fix it.

Things EVs lack or have less chances of breaking: * Fanbelts * Flywheels * Transmissions * Oil Changes * Brakes / Brake pads (regenerative breaking makes them last a lot longer) * Transmissions * Spark Plugs and wires When there are less moving parts, there is less chance of them breaking. It really is as simple as that.

* Pumps * Condenser * Gasket seals * Timing chain/belt * Valve clearances going out of spec * Injectors becoming clogged * O2 or other fuel related sensors failing * Radiators * Engine mounts failing causing terrible vibrations

It's such a tremendously long list. And all the items above are something I've dealt with on a vehicle at some point in my life.

Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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Post by lykr0n »

majewsky wrote: post #253
bebna wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do you get those prices? Since months[1] it is more like 1.45-1.60€/l ($6.311-$6.964/gal) for regular petrol. In 1.519€/l($6.611/gal) are 0.8678€/l($3.777/gal) taxes[2]. What they see as a expensive price, we only pay to the fiskus alone! [1] https://ich-tanke.de/statistik/ [2] https://service.aral.de/netto-spritpreise

> Where do you get those prices? From memory. I don't have a car (or a driver's license, for that matter), but I drive by gas stations sometimes. > What they see as a expensive price, we only pay to the fiskus alone! I find it hard to believe that the US does not have any taxes on gas whatsoever.

$0.184 per Gallon of Federal Tax. In Texas it's an additional $0.20 per Gallon.
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