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Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by _yawn » Wed, Oct 03, 2018, 10:53 PM UTC

dccoolgai wrote: post #13

ggregoire wrote: post #11

Might be an unpopular opinion but it's 2018 and you can easily find front-end developers with enough design sensibility and UX common sense to not need designers at all for building an app. I've been doing this for 10 years, in different companies, with different people, and I've seen many front-end developers being very successful at designing apps on their own. I personally enjoy it too. I usually draw wireframes o…

Yeah, I'd have to agree, although I think it shouldn't be that way...but it is: every designer I've ever worked with has some weird pathological predilection to be borderline abusive to users in the quest to make the app/site they are designing their personal art gallery... and Frontend devs are left meekly trying to stand up for the user. I don't know why this pathology surfaces in so many places, but talking with c…

It's because designers are just clueless and don't know how things are implemented. The opposite is also true: the parent is practically an alien here for liking design yet he doesn't even see the point in a photoshop over a wireframe.

I think in general people are too specialized. You probably want designers that do a little development and developpers that do a little design. The full on generalist approach is also poor, I've done both jobs in my life and ended up mediocre at both.

Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by vanadium » Thu, Oct 04, 2018, 3:11 AM UTC

yuchi wrote: post #17

vanadium wrote: post #4

While the central topic still makes sense, a lot of the technical prescriptions in there are pretty well outdated and even contradict best practices today. I'd be curious to know just how long ago this was written. Edit: March 2016, and their dateline has since been removed: https://web.archive.org/web/20160311072848/https://www.imagi...

It was a little bit dated in 2016 too to be honest.

No question.

Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Thu, Oct 04, 2018, 11:28 AM UTC

allsunny wrote: post #14

ggregoire wrote: post #11

Might be an unpopular opinion but it's 2018 and you can easily find front-end developers with enough design sensibility and UX common sense to not need designers at all for building an app. I've been doing this for 10 years, in different companies, with different people, and I've seen many front-end developers being very successful at designing apps on their own. I personally enjoy it too. I usually draw wireframes o…

The difficulty is of course that, ultimately, design sensibility is subjective. However, my experience working with folks that have actually studied design or otherwise specialized in user experience have a marked improvement (as measured with A/B testing) over the designs that are developed by "easy to find front-end developers with design sensibility." YMMV. It's nice to hear of developers that enjoy design, even g…

if ultimately design sensibility is subjective then ultimately code quality is subjective as well.

Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by tfranco » Thu, Oct 04, 2018, 12:29 PM UTC

hypertexthero wrote: post #7

Regarding designers and developers: http://designinginterfaces.com/2011/06/01/designers-that-cod...

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Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by dorkwood » Thu, Oct 04, 2018, 12:34 PM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #11

Might be an unpopular opinion but it's 2018 and you can easily find front-end developers with enough design sensibility and UX common sense to not need designers at all for building an app. I've been doing this for 10 years, in different companies, with different people, and I've seen many front-end developers being very successful at designing apps on their own. I personally enjoy it too. I usually draw wireframes o…

Maybe your country is different, but I've only met one, and he initially studied graphic design. The other day at work I overheard a dev talking about his personal website, saying "people expect it to look good -- they don't understand that I'm a developer, not a designer." So I don't think we're quite there yet.

Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by allsunny » Thu, Oct 04, 2018, 2:59 PM UTC

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #23

allsunny wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difficulty is of course that, ultimately, design sensibility is subjective. However, my experience working with folks that have actually studied design or otherwise specialized in user experience have a marked improvement (as measured with A/B testing) over the designs that are developed by "easy to find front-end developers with design sensibility." YMMV. It's nice to hear of developers that enjoy design, even g…

if ultimately design sensibility is subjective then ultimately code quality is subjective as well.

it is, but what's that got to do with the price of potatoes?

Re: From Design to Front-end

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Post by ericmcer » Thu, Oct 04, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

ggregoire wrote: post #11

Might be an unpopular opinion but it's 2018 and you can easily find front-end developers with enough design sensibility and UX common sense to not need designers at all for building an app. I've been doing this for 10 years, in different companies, with different people, and I've seen many front-end developers being very successful at designing apps on their own. I personally enjoy it too. I usually draw wireframes o…

It’s also incredibly easy to find a tenplate or copy common styles etc. At my last company a designer spent ~2 weeks coming up with what amounted to a standard side navbar.... I think designers need to be focusing on clever UI that gives users an intuitive/simple experience rather than what color our buttons should be.