Step in the right direction, Calfornia
The Electronic Frontier Foundation didn't think so:
https://www.eff.org/document/eff-letter-opposing-california-...
Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
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Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#132The EFF has written about this specific bill, and is concerned this was poorly scoped and may infringe protected speech. I would expect litigation to follow.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/05/should-ai-always-ident...
Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Attempts so far to ban bot accounts have resulted in a purge of real people who are critical of western governments. When Facebook decided to ban the accounts as identified by Ben Nimmo's team at the Atlantic Council, it also purged people critical of western governments' foreign policies. When this is government mandated I think you see the threat to "free speech." I'm sure this is a bonus to those pushing the react…
How do you know they're real?
Having spoken to one of them in person about all their posts being disappeared from Facebook.
The only action that they can think of for "violation of their terms of service" they know of is having posts critical of government claims regarding foreign policy, and it's pretty much the same time Facebook announced they were getting tough on bots and blocking bot accounts.
They're better connected than me and know others who have had this happen to them at the same time too.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Note on above: there are legitimate reasons for businesses to set Caller ID to something other than the call origin. But the "something other" should be selected from a set under the control of the business, not a free for all. I.e., a desk phone with DID may show as the main company number, etc. This takes a little more work to account for, but it shouldn't be a roadblock.
No, a phone should give the exact number for that exact phone, since that is whom I want to call back, should I need to. That phone may be manned by more than one individual (in case of shift work), but nobody should have to go through a phone tree.
This won't work, contact centres are more complicated that you'd imagine.
Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm using Google Voice, 90% of my incoming calls are spam bots. Ban Google?
90% of everybody's incoming calls are spam bots.
This is true for me, but only because nobody calls me except for my wife, and even those calls only happen when she's on break at work and bored. All my other non-work-related communication is over SMS, Facebook Messenger, or Discord.
Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
While you're at it, ban Spam endorsed by the federal government (USPS)... junk mailers even get rebates to fill up your mailbox.
While they are at it, also get rid of the spam car and debt consolidation loan mailers. If you opt-out, you also don't get mailers from AmEx on their newest metallic card, which I might want. But I don't need a loan from some unknown institution at near credit-card rates.
I used to get snail mail almost daily from SoFi trying to get me to refinance my student loans with them. It was really annoying, especially since they wouldn't match my credit union's rates, despite my 810+ credit score.
I wonder how much it cost them to send all those mailers. It was at least one a week for a couple years before I finally went to their website to opt out.
Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
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I know you're joking, but I (jokingly) considered a law that if you're using your cell phone and are involved in an accident, that accident is your fault and you must pay in excess of actual damages. The problem is of course all the gray areas where there was some emergency, or the unintended side effects of people getting hurt who weren't just being douchebags in traffic.
I had a similar idea where your registration fees are determined by the number of times you honked your horn the previous year.
Make that "how many times someone honked their horn at you" and I'm in.
Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#138HN is funny. Most of the time we fight for anonymity, security and privacy yet here were are, demanding spoof-proof caller ID.
Spoofed Caller ID is a lie, not anonymity. Here's a proposal: 1) Caller may choose to hide/suppress their Caller ID, 2) mandatory option for phone carriers to allow Callee to completely block calls (no ring, no voicemail) that don't carry Caller ID, 3) When present Caller ID must be accurate. The above allows anonymity but disallows deceit. It also provides opt-out for people not to receive anonymous calls. (Anonymit…
If we want authentication, public-private key pairs are a great idea.
A trusted network is fine, but are the telephone networks trusted? Can't get them to implement simple features in our interests, doesn't seem very much like a trusted third party to me. Meanwhile, OTT services work. Some let you whitelist contacts. Killer features like that will push everyone off POTS eventually anyway.
Inertia and legacy will keep holdouts using POTS, just like people still use fax machines, but they're mostly irrelevant.
Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#139If people are so easily swayed then perhaps they are just idiots? There are some cold & hard facts advocates of democracy need to look at. These problems can't be legislatively swept under the rug.
The people who developed democracy never accounted for the weapons grade marketing and persuasion we are capable of today.
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Re: Bill to ban bots impersonating people for telemarketing and influencing election
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm using Google Voice, 90% of my incoming calls are spam bots. Ban Google?
90% of everybody's incoming calls are spam bots.
I've never been robocalled, but I've had "microsoft support" scammers call me once.
I'm in Sweden. Not sure if the difference between 90% and 0% is technological or legislative.