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Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans

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I personally wouldn't purchase a Model 3. I rented the long range version for a round-trip trip from San Francisco to Sacramento (about 90 miles/2 hours each way). The main things that stood out: - Changing volume and airflow through the central touchscreen were much more challenging than the physical knobs and buttons most cars have. I'd even argue they were distracting and dangerous to use while driving. I don't be…

Unfortunately, it is not just Tesla that is moving controls over to touch screen. The latest Honda vehicles have moved the majority of knobs to a touch interface.

This needs to be regulated against, in my opinion.

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I personally wouldn't purchase a Model 3. I rented the long range version for a round-trip trip from San Francisco to Sacramento (about 90 miles/2 hours each way). The main things that stood out: - Changing volume and airflow through the central touchscreen were much more challenging than the physical knobs and buttons most cars have. I'd even argue they were distracting and dangerous to use while driving. I don't be…

> the car slowed at a stop sign down to 20mph before blowing through it

Not sure if you know or not, but want to make this clear - the current Autopilot feature does NOT know how to stop at signs or lights. It really is just really good lane adherence, and even that can be sketchy (hopping lanes into oncoming traffic, sudden hard braking for no reason).

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I personally wouldn't purchase a Model 3. I rented the long range version for a round-trip trip from San Francisco to Sacramento (about 90 miles/2 hours each way). The main things that stood out: - Changing volume and airflow through the central touchscreen were much more challenging than the physical knobs and buttons most cars have. I'd even argue they were distracting and dangerous to use while driving. I don't be…

The door handles are probably a deliberate choice to get the drag down as low as possible, without the expense of motorized handles like the S or motorized doors like the X. No other cars on the road have drag coefficients as low as the Model 3 (or the Model S, for that matter). From what I've seen, Teslas are the only cars that have the B-pillar flush to the glass, and flush, cavity-less door handles. That plus the…

> No other cars on the road have drag coefficients as low as the Model 3 (or the Model S, for that matter).

The Model S is the fourth lowest at 0.24, tied with the Mercedes S class, behind the Model 3 at 0.23.

But leading the pack are the Mercedes CLA (0.22) and the Volkswagen XL1 (0.19).

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Unfortunately, it is not just Tesla that is moving controls over to touch screen. The latest Honda vehicles have moved the majority of knobs to a touch interface.

This needs to be regulated against, in my opinion.

It’s just bad UX. They will add some rotary encoders before long. No need to regulate it :)

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That's been obvious to me for about 20 years. Ever since I read the case study in The Innovator's Dilemma explaining that electric cars would take over around 2020. If Elon should burn out and crash Tesla, it will still happen. Only instead of being Tesla delivering the death blow, it will be those electric golf carts growing up, turning into full cars, and wiping out traditional automakers. Either way the underlying…

> there is an opportunity for upstarts who only do electric to take on gas cars. Sure. But the mistake everyone makes is that the drive train technology is not what differentiates a car. It's the brand, the design, quality of interior, availability etc. Those are much harder for upstarts to get right as we've seen with Tesla.

It is not that the drive train differentiates the car. It is that the drive train constrains possible electric cars to be poor fits for the existing mass market. Which provides a market opportunity for manufacturers that focus on what is possible with the technology now, regardless of how well it fits in current Detroit marketing plans.

By the time electric is capable of being used for comparable cars at comparable prices for established lines of cars for established auto companies, they will be up against entrants in electric cars that have lower margins and more experience. When existing car manufacturers try to switch over they will wind up offering an inferior car at a worse price than the upstarts. This is a story that has played out many times in technology, and it never goes well for the established industry giants.

It doesn't matter if the competitors are delivering sports cars or glorified golf carts. What matters is that traditional auto companies with traditional dealer networks will be unable to compete head to head when they become competitive with the mass market.

Everyone knows about Tesla. Go look at https://www.fastcompany.com/40517240/the-biggest-electric-ve... for a company approaching the problem from the low end. There are a dozen more where BYD came from. And other markets where competitors are developing.

There are many niches around the world for electric vehicles. They are filled with companies who are salivating at the juicy pork chop that is the US car market. Technology does not, yet, allow them to compete head to head in Detroit's main product categories. But when they finally can, established automakers won't stand a chance.

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The door handles are probably a deliberate choice to get the drag down as low as possible, without the expense of motorized handles like the S or motorized doors like the X. No other cars on the road have drag coefficients as low as the Model 3 (or the Model S, for that matter). From what I've seen, Teslas are the only cars that have the B-pillar flush to the glass, and flush, cavity-less door handles. That plus the…

> No other cars on the road have drag coefficients as low as the Model 3 (or the Model S, for that matter). The Model S is the fourth lowest at 0.24, tied with the Mercedes S class, behind the Model 3 at 0.23. But leading the pack are the Mercedes CLA (0.22) and the Volkswagen XL1 (0.19).

I say that the XL1 doesn't count. I didn't count the EV1 either, which had the same drag coefficient.

But TIL about the CLA.

Note: the CLA was tested at 0.30 drag coefficient by Car and Driver, though.

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The big fat nose is funny looking, and the interior is barren. It looks like a child's toy.

It is very subjective, I think it looks like a car from 10 years in the future.

Or a car from the distant past. Trends repeat. It's like how push-button transmissions are coming back into style, or how hybrid cars were invented in the 1920s and again in the 1960s.

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Sure, but electric cars have far fewer moving parts. Components are simply less likely to break.

Fewer moving parts does not mean that the components are less likely to break. A car with only one gear would have fewer parts but would break down more often.

Most electric cars have only one gear. Why does it break down more often?

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The case for electric cars taking over by 2020 is looking pretty darn wrong at this point, isn’t it?

Is it? In Europe we’re seeing sales shoot up like a rocket. Model 3 deliveries haven’t even started yet. With the Hyundai Kona and Kia Niro the market will grow even more, and in 2020 VW will start flooding the market with EVs.

My only concern with VW is whether they'll be able to produce those battery packs as fast as the cars. They're certainly ambitious, they want to make 100k the first year and the plant they're using can make 1,500 a day which sounds insane when you hear Tesla is only making 5,000 a month.

[1] https://www.vwvortex.com/news/volkswagen-news/d-electric-hat...

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