The car is unbelievably good coming from someone who used to drive entry-level luxury sedans. It's light years beyond anything BMW, Infiniti and Lexus have to offer.
Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
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Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#62> Tesla’s competitors are feeling it. Sales of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, the best-selling luxury sedan in the U.S., plunged 24 percent last month and are down 28 percent for the year through September. > And it’s doing so at a higher price than other mass-market cars. The most expensive versions of the Model 3 are currently the most popular, with an average selling price approaching $60,000. It would be very interes…
There is only a finite number of people willing/able to spend $60k on a recreational vehicle.
There are also a great number of people who have never spent more than $35k on a car who are buying a M3.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#63> Tesla’s competitors are feeling it. Sales of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, the best-selling luxury sedan in the U.S., plunged 24 percent last month and are down 28 percent for the year through September. > And it’s doing so at a higher price than other mass-market cars. The most expensive versions of the Model 3 are currently the most popular, with an average selling price approaching $60,000. It would be very interes…
> Tesla's surge in ranking would be caused more by fleeing luxury customers
Scuttlebutt I've heard is a lot of Lux brands haven't kept up with increasing quality expectations over the last 40 years. People expect their cars to go 120-150k miles without major problems and these cars often aren't living up to that.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not everyone is interested in buying status symbols.
Try driving one. All gas cars just seem archaic, even my wife's new camera, which has some connected car features doesn't compare. That car has crappy ui, terrible app on phone. The human factors design by Toyota is just kludgey. It drives fine, the engine seems efficient with electric battery driving. But it's not fun to drive.
I’m not disputing it’s a better car. I love Teslas. I’m just saying that if I bought one it wouldn’t be because it had anything to do with “status”.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#65> Tesla’s competitors are feeling it. Sales of the Mercedes-Benz C-Class, the best-selling luxury sedan in the U.S., plunged 24 percent last month and are down 28 percent for the year through September. > And it’s doing so at a higher price than other mass-market cars. The most expensive versions of the Model 3 are currently the most popular, with an average selling price approaching $60,000. It would be very interes…
I would like to go on the record as saying that the big car companies of today, short of a miracle, are on track to meet the big mobile phone companies of the pre-iPhone era. Remember when Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Alcatel, Sony seemed unassailable?
There is no evidence of this at all.
The world is full of upstarts being crushed by large incumbents.
And don't remember we still have Microsoft, IBM, Intel, Amazon etc all still doing very well.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess what the comment echoed was that Tesla sell much better because of the status. And the other EVs don't enjoy such futuristic image. I'll add my own point that Tesla's image is very undeserved, it is only kept by the cult of Elon musk and incessant lies about self driving technology.
Wrong. Even without self-driving technology, people would buy these cars. Several friends specifically deleted the self driving hardware on their Model 3's.
I'm super curious about the hardware deletion process.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to go on the record as saying that the big car companies of today, short of a miracle, are on track to meet the big mobile phone companies of the pre-iPhone era. Remember when Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Alcatel, Sony seemed unassailable?
I would dispute that, in that big car companies have much deeper pockets, and thus have been readily spending on new tech, e.g. the big automaker acquisition of Cruise, Maven, Chariot. They seem more responsive to the changing nature of the industry.
Acquisitions are all well and good, but unfortunately, when an asteroid hits you, all the umbrellas in the world won't help. Tesla has been attacking the hard problems (like battery cost) for close to a decade while most others kept busy making fun of them.
When you see Tesla causing drops to the tune of 15% or even 20% to the sales of premium ICE car brands, and who knows how much more it will be in the next quarters, a hit this big and this sudden can be quite destabilizing to a company with a highly optimized supply chain. Also, these companies haven't delivered something truly new in decades, and to do so now, under the gun, would require not a product revamp, but a culture revamp. Never heard one of those being pulled off.
Innovation is hard, let's ask for government assistance: https://www.reuters.com/article/autoshow-paris-electric-sque...
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#68Sedans in general have cratered. Everyone is back to buying SUVs and Trucks. Its like we are going back to 1999.
That's my gutfeel too. Seems like a very unfashionable format here in Australia. People buy SUVs, 4WDs (Pajero, Landcruiser), utes (trucks) and hatches. Sedans and "station wagons" are on the out.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to go on the record as saying that the big car companies of today, short of a miracle, are on track to meet the big mobile phone companies of the pre-iPhone era. Remember when Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Alcatel, Sony seemed unassailable?
I would dispute that, in that big car companies have much deeper pockets, and thus have been readily spending on new tech, e.g. the big automaker acquisition of Cruise, Maven, Chariot. They seem more responsive to the changing nature of the industry.
> They seem more responsive to the changing nature of the industry.
Yet most of their responses so far are on paper - they will start producing electric cars, sometime in the future.
Re: Tesla’s Model 3 Is Becoming One of America’s Best-Selling Sedans
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to go on the record as saying that the big car companies of today, short of a miracle, are on track to meet the big mobile phone companies of the pre-iPhone era. Remember when Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, Alcatel, Sony seemed unassailable?
That's been obvious to me for about 20 years. Ever since I read the case study in The Innovator's Dilemma explaining that electric cars would take over around 2020. If Elon should burn out and crash Tesla, it will still happen. Only instead of being Tesla delivering the death blow, it will be those electric golf carts growing up, turning into full cars, and wiping out traditional automakers. Either way the underlying…
> there is an opportunity for upstarts who only do electric to take on gas cars.
Sure. But the mistake everyone makes is that the drive train technology is not what differentiates a car.
It's the brand, the design, quality of interior, availability etc. Those are much harder for upstarts to get right as we've seen with Tesla.