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Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by whatshisface »

bun_at_work wrote: post #29
philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Just a few things: 1) This tool is made by an Alphabet owned company (Jigsaw), not Google, another Alphabet owned company. The companies will have different missions, even if profits flow the same direction. 2) Venezuela doesn't have a huge market where Google is blocked by a nation-wide firewall. 3) China has a nation-wide firewall blocking any Google service, thereby forcing Google to negotiate how their service wo…

>Google as a company (and Alphabet, probably more so) is almost certainly anti-censorship, philosophically; they just don't operate in a vacuum.

Since when was being motivated to do wrong a mitigating condition for having done wrong? "Sorry officer, I wasn't going to steal it at first, but then I started wanting it."

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

I find it ironic that both CloudFlare and Google which this app uses, were involved in the censorship of DailyStormer. It was a vile site and Google and ClouFlare were fully within their rights to terminate their business agreement with them. However, they do not also get to turn around and claim the high moral ground of being anti-censorship in principle. So this is not about censorship vs free speech, it is about government vs corporate censorship.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by HillaryBriss »

bun_at_work wrote: post #29
philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Just a few things: 1) This tool is made by an Alphabet owned company (Jigsaw), not Google, another Alphabet owned company. The companies will have different missions, even if profits flow the same direction. 2) Venezuela doesn't have a huge market where Google is blocked by a nation-wide firewall. 3) China has a nation-wide firewall blocking any Google service, thereby forcing Google to negotiate how their service wo…

> ...thereby forcing Google to negotiate how their service works if they want to make money there.

I'm struggling to see how this addresses the point about Google's variable standards. I mean, are you saying that somehow because Google needs to adjust its standard to make money in a particular market that it therefore doesn't have variable standards?

Not quite following you ...

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by codeisawesome »

bun_at_work wrote: post #29
philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Just a few things: 1) This tool is made by an Alphabet owned company (Jigsaw), not Google, another Alphabet owned company. The companies will have different missions, even if profits flow the same direction. 2) Venezuela doesn't have a huge market where Google is blocked by a nation-wide firewall. 3) China has a nation-wide firewall blocking any Google service, thereby forcing Google to negotiate how their service wo…

> Venezuela and China are very different companies

c o m p a n i e s

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by Belphemur »

sharcerer wrote: post #36
Belphemur wrote: post #3

I've been using Intra with my own DoH server for months already. It's stable and updated regulary: https://github.com/Jigsaw-Code/intra Also, if you're looking for a DoH server that block adverts, here is mine: https://dns.aaflalo.me/dns-query

Does your server allow Google Ads because honestly, I would feel like a hypocrite blocking their ads as those ads basically pay for what Jigsaw does. Just saying.

Unfortunately it's the first one present in all DNS blacklist.

I don't think you'll find a dns server that block ads that have whitelisted Google Ads.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by pretendscholar »

bun_at_work wrote: post #29
philip1209 wrote: post #19

These dual standards for censorship annoy me. Google on Venezuelan censoring: bad, fight it Google on Chinese censoring: complicit, support it

Just a few things: 1) This tool is made by an Alphabet owned company (Jigsaw), not Google, another Alphabet owned company. The companies will have different missions, even if profits flow the same direction. 2) Venezuela doesn't have a huge market where Google is blocked by a nation-wide firewall. 3) China has a nation-wide firewall blocking any Google service, thereby forcing Google to negotiate how their service wo…

>2) Venezuela doesn't have a huge market where Google is blocked by a nation-wide firewall.

How is that a justification?

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by mattigames »

aikah wrote: post #32
Shivetya wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google isn't the only big tech company to cave to China's demands

Google is one of these US tech companies claiming they have moral values in their code of conduct, using such words as "evil".

They no longer use that word.

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by sirn »

Belphemur wrote: post #3

I've been using Intra with my own DoH server for months already. It's stable and updated regulary: https://github.com/Jigsaw-Code/intra Also, if you're looking for a DoH server that block adverts, here is mine: https://dns.aaflalo.me/dns-query

Just want to add: if anyone running iOS, you might want to try DNSCloak[1] which is a small wrapper over dnscrypt-proxy. I've been using it for a while and it has been reliable so far.

I also run my own DoH server in Singapore that block adverts[2] with Ansible script to deploy it to any FreeBSD servers[3] :-)

Edit: looks like mine doesn't supported running with Intra quite yet. Will work on it tonight.

[1]: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dnscloak-dnscrypt-doh-client...

[2]: https://sg.dns.grid.in.th/dns-query

[3]: https://github.com/sirn/gridns-deploy

Re: Alphabet's cyber unit Jigsaw introduces a new security app to bust censorship

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Post by ghostly_s »

r3bl wrote: post #45

Can we get a rename of this story? "Alphabet's Jigsaw" would be more appropriate. Jigsaw is, at best, a sibling of Google, not a part of Google. It is explained in the very first sentence, but comments so far don't seem to acknowledge that.

Well, the story also claims there are plans to build it in to Android, so apparently they are at least working in close concert.
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