"Right to be forgotten" is a core tenant of GDPR. It'd be interesting to see if the U.S. would enforce the hard delete of social media profiles upon opting out.
Brendan Eich Writes to the US Senate: We Need a GDPR for the United States
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Re: Brendan Eich Writes to the US Senate: We Need a GDPR for the United States
#52The practical effect of GDPR seems to me that I have to click away about half a dozen consent popups every day. Sometimes a cookie warning in addition to that. If I use Private Browsing (to protect my privacy) I am punished with more popups. If I open a website within a browser shell on mobile that doesn't have my cookies (some kind of webview of an app), I am punished with more popups. Am I expected to look at every…
> Am I expected to look at every one of those dialogs and figure out what I have to click to "customize" my tracking?
Nope. Likewise you aren't expected to read a car lease contract or the papers you sign to buy a house.
Re: Brendan Eich Writes to the US Senate: We Need a GDPR for the United States
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> These are very real, very concrete negative effects of GDPR Your annoyance is misplaced. Don't be annoyed at GDPR: be annoyed at all the companies who have spent the last decades building an entire web-infrastructure with zero respect for user privacy. We built massive amounts of technology infrastructure that just assumed that privacy and tracking wasn't an issue. Why do these websites need all these cookies in th…
This is how unintended consequences happen. Complaining how rational actors work around roadblocks has no practical effect. Who someone blames has no practical effect. The downside of looking at the intent of the law and assigning blame towards the market is that it encourages doubling down on these negative actions. Why not make popups illegal, they'll say. Why not make it illegal for you to optionally trade your da…
> Complaining how rational actors work around roadblocks has no practical effect.
I'm not sure I agree with the 'rational'. If you are so short-sighted as a company that your main course of action boils down to 'piss off the user' while doing everything you can to skirt the law then you deserve to suffer the longer term consequences. Rationality should operate on all time-frames simultaneously.
Re: Brendan Eich Writes to the US Senate: We Need a GDPR for the United States
#54Something to torpedo tech everywhere. Yay!
Re: Brendan Eich Writes to the US Senate: We Need a GDPR for the United States
#55The practical effect of GDPR seems to me that I have to click away about half a dozen consent popups every day. Sometimes a cookie warning in addition to that. If I use Private Browsing (to protect my privacy) I am punished with more popups. If I open a website within a browser shell on mobile that doesn't have my cookies (some kind of webview of an app), I am punished with more popups. Am I expected to look at every…
> These are very real, very concrete negative effects of GDPR Your annoyance is misplaced. Don't be annoyed at GDPR: be annoyed at all the companies who have spent the last decades building an entire web-infrastructure with zero respect for user privacy. We built massive amounts of technology infrastructure that just assumed that privacy and tracking wasn't an issue. Why do these websites need all these cookies in th…
You talk as if the GDPR was a win for privacy. It wasn't. It was poorly drafted legislation by people who had no idea what they were doing.
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#56Somehow, I feel like the old, unregulated internet was better. I wonder if that is just nostalgia or there is something to it. With an unregulated internet, any internet user has to take care of their own privacy and anonymity. Barriers for entry for new websites and services are very low. Data breaches and abuses of data can lead to users being concerned about giving their data to tech monopolies, which can enable c…
that's some ancap crap if I ever heard some
Facebook and co hire psychologists to make their data collection as painless and humanly possible, most of the time people only ever fully realise the extent of the data collected once they get pinpoint accurate ads, at which point they even resort to accusing facebook of listening to your conversations. The point is, the average person can't assess what exactly you can accomplish with the data you share. You might, but that's typical HN preaching from the ivory tower shit.
Just because something works for you don't make it the best solution to everything.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> These are very real, very concrete negative effects of GDPR Your annoyance is misplaced. Don't be annoyed at GDPR: be annoyed at all the companies who have spent the last decades building an entire web-infrastructure with zero respect for user privacy. We built massive amounts of technology infrastructure that just assumed that privacy and tracking wasn't an issue. Why do these websites need all these cookies in th…
This is how unintended consequences happen. Complaining how rational actors work around roadblocks has no practical effect. Who someone blames has no practical effect. The downside of looking at the intent of the law and assigning blame towards the market is that it encourages doubling down on these negative actions. Why not make popups illegal, they'll say. Why not make it illegal for you to optionally trade your da…
>This is how unintended consequences happen. Complaining how rational actors work around roadblocks has no practical effect. Who someone blames has no practical effect. The downside of looking at the intent of the law and assigning blame towards the market is that it encourages doubling down on these negative actions.
Bounce rates must be through the roof, especially for clickbait. I'm certain that the market has noticed and will respond to this. I strongly doubt that this persistently annoying popup situation will stick around forever.
Ultimately I'm sure some kind of technological solution will emerge - e.g. you set what level of tracking you're happy with on your browser and your browser will fill in the popups for you and report back what the website is doing.
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#58Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is how unintended consequences happen. Complaining how rational actors work around roadblocks has no practical effect. Who someone blames has no practical effect. The downside of looking at the intent of the law and assigning blame towards the market is that it encourages doubling down on these negative actions. Why not make popups illegal, they'll say. Why not make it illegal for you to optionally trade your da…
> Complaining how rational actors work around roadblocks has no practical effect. I'm not sure I agree with the 'rational'. If you are so short-sighted as a company that your main course of action boils down to 'piss off the user' while doing everything you can to skirt the law then you deserve to suffer the longer term consequences. Rationality should operate on all time-frames simultaneously.
I very much wish incentives were aligned this way. However, as the ad tech sector has shown, consumer apathy is pervasive enough that you can push the envelope quite hard against them before the costs near the benefits. Couple that with the uncertainty of an ever-changing tech landscape (especially considering impending government interference), and optimizing for short term profits is "rational". That's "rational" about money only, morality and sustainability be damned.
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#59I don't want it to end up in annoying dialog boxes and degraded UX on every website like it currently is in Europe.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It seems to me that people are working to find ways to improve their lives, and that they'll keep doing so to the shegrin of the internet behemoths absent any "regulation" I'd agree with you if ad & tracking blocking was mainstream, or even better, built into major browsers & operating systems and enabled by default. We are not there yet (and might never be since a major OS developer - Google - has a vested interes…
> I'd agree with you if ad & tracking blocking was mainstream But isn't Eich making the argument that it is mainstream? That's the whole reason I'm quoting him here. Which is it? Is Eich correct that the "enormous growth of ad-blocking by people across the globe" is evidence of some desire on the part of a global community to fight back on the ability of internet giants to track us? If so, isn't this evidence that th…
There being a desire to fight back does not mean that this fight is effective or avoiding an arms race (which is wasting resources for everyone).