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Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Or he hired a law firm to write it for him? Not far fetched.

He said he paid $6k, and that he considers the money well spent. It seems weird that he would pay $100k and then claim to have paid $6k.

Where are you getting 100k from?

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Actually, I am pretty good friends with a civil engineer that did something almost exactly like this for a friend of his. He did this in his spare time and having no prior experience with the niche industry and law his friend's company operated in (botanical health supplements). The people from the federal government involved in the complaint did not believe he wasn't a specialized lawyer with a team of assistants. D…

if a dedicated civil engineer can pick up some law books and make it seem he was some high powered lawyer team, can a dedicated lawyer pick up some engineering books and build a bridge that can survive SF's 'Big One'?

Don't know about the bridge but he can definitely build the next Facebook.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said he paid $6k, and that he considers the money well spent. It seems weird that he would pay $100k and then claim to have paid $6k.

Where are you getting 100k from?

That is the amount suggested (with zero evidence) by the original comment in this thread.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Real life example from someone I know: They worked at a company which was only allowed to use certain DRM stuff if they used patent-protected encryption within the hardware. Therefore he invented some and worked with the company lawyer to get a patent. The patent lawyers’ job includes making the patent as general as possible. The lawyer did not understand the technology, and while broadening the patent claim they acc…

This is a good answer to the question "why did Waymo have a patent that could be invalidated by one guy with $6000?" But it's a terrible answer to the question "if one guy with $6000 could get this patent invalidated, why couldn't Uber?"

Probably because none of the lawyers on Uber's side had the credentials to stop and ask themselves "hey, is this even patentable?!"

Nobody consulted any engineer. Just lawyers fighting each other, and the side with the biggest pockets won.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

It is really funny that a conspiracy theory posted by an anonymous person with no backing evidence whatsoever is sitting at the top of this thread.

It's as if people can still think for themselves and make arguments from the available information (even if they prove to be wrong), instead of expecting the final story to be handed down to them...

The reference to the "95+ page document of complex legal argumentation"? That's evidence in support of the claim in the comment. Parent didn't make up that it's a complex lengthy legal document themselves.

Sure, the theory that he was a strawman might or might not pan out. But that this is no simple "engineer vigilante" is evident. Perhaps it's a very organized vigilante with big resources (and the money mentioned also point to that). But such a move is not above suspicion of some other corporate entity being involved. Should anybody thinking so just keep it to themselves? Or are people that might agree at fault if they vote such a comment up?

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

Goodness yes, everybody knows that a mere engineer can never be a clever lawyer.

Except perhaps patent lawyers, which in most jurisdictions have both engineering and lawyering degrees. Or perhaps just a motivated company founder with 4 years of expertise fighting patents. Pretty far fetched I know, but perhaps one should keep a open mind...

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

Goodness yes, everybody knows that a mere engineer can never be a clever lawyer. Except perhaps patent lawyers, which in most jurisdictions have both engineering and lawyering degrees. Or perhaps just a motivated company founder with 4 years of expertise fighting patents. Pretty far fetched I know, but perhaps one should keep a open mind...

>Goodness yes, everybody knows that a mere engineer can never be a clever lawyer.

Sure, an engineer can be a lawyer (there's no law of physics against it). But it's also much less often than this happens than an engineer NOT being a lawyer. That's the parent's argument, not that it's impossible.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

It is really funny that a conspiracy theory posted by an anonymous person with no backing evidence whatsoever is sitting at the top of this thread.

Many users of this site are used to evaluate comments on merit alone, without ever bothering to check who the comment author is. I personally don't think it's that bad of a situation.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

Perhaps thats where the $6000 of his own money was spent, having a lawyer/lawyer friend edit his document into legal speak?

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Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or he hired a law firm to write it for him? Not far fetched.

He said he paid $6k, and that he considers the money well spent. It seems weird that he would pay $100k and then claim to have paid $6k.

Well, $6K is a pretty good deal, considering I paid over $15K so far for an associate level patent lawyer to finally submit a 49-page provisional utility patent. Now, there is still a ton of work we need to do to go back and clean that shit up. Basically, he just photocopied everything plus the kitchen sink to get it filed. I know I have at least that bill amount waiting on us before we finally get it issued.
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