Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
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Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
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Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#2To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article:
> The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate change, sustainability, mass inequality — which is getting worse — diseases, and healthcare, we're not making progress anywhere near fast enough in any of these areas.
followed by
> Either we need an exponential improvement in human behavior — less selfishness, less short-termism, more collaboration, more generosity — or we need an exponential improvement in technology.
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#3To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
I don't think the world has only been made worse because of technology. But good and bad are always a question of perspective.
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#4To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
Yep. Been following this guy since he was at Lionhead, and while he's obviously a very very smart guy, it's disappointing that he puts his hope in techno-fixes. To me it seems fairly obvious that the problems our society faces stem from continuous exponential growth (primarily of energy use), and while technology can be used to tweak the parameters of the growth curve, as it were, the eventual outcome stays more or less the same. This was already shown in the The Limits to Growth model back in the early 70s. To me "new technology will fix it" is essentially a statement of faith, the numbers don't back it up, nor does thinking about or situation honestly.
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#5To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
Humans are a technological species. Hence, to modify our parameters of existence from the materialistic point of view the solutions are technology based.
Technology is not just something someone invented - it's an inherent manifestation of the psychology of our species. Hunting patterns? Technology. Better stone tools? Technology. The wheel? Technology.
The key to this, is the rare capability among some individuals to device new solutions to a problem, and the en masse capability of everyone else to copy the solution once implemented and explained.
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#6To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
Frankly, I can't really understand how come people believe what you just wrote. Yes, technology created many problems, but we can't solve them by doing less technology, without reintroducing problems we've already solved. We can either not solve them, or try to solve it with more progress (likely introducing new problems as well).
In other words: we dug a hole for ourselves with technology, but the only way we can dig ourselves out of it is with more technology. This is pretty much obvious.
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#7To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."
Upton Sinclair
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#8To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
Frankly, I can't really understand how come people believe what you just wrote. Yes, technology created many problems, but we can't solve them by doing less technology, without reintroducing problems we've already solved. We can either not solve them, or try to solve it with more progress (likely introducing new problems as well). In other words: we dug a hole for ourselves with technology, but the only way we can di…
I believe parent lacks faith in humanity and basic human nature to use that new tech properly to properly solve the new problems.
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#9To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
I think the argument is pretty straightforward:
You take the following things as premises: a.) Humans tend to reproduce, often above-reproduction level b.) Humans usually tend to optimize their well-being c.) Well-being of individuals of your own species is more important than well-being of other species
The first two should be uncontroversial. The third one is not uncontroversial but still the foundation of most legal systems worldwide.
The argument goes: More humans need more resources. Each generation uses more resources than the previous generation, due to (b). Even if you could educate everyone to use less, due to (a) you would still have to provide more resources. Better technology allows more efficient generation of resources with less impact on the environment. Thus if you care about the environment/whatever, technical advances are a good thing. You could also try to kill humans/don't allow them to reproduce but this clashes with (c) and basic decency.
Also: You will never convince a non-marginal amount of humans to give up pleasure for some greater good.
- Cruelty of meat production will be solved by artificial meat, not by a tiny percentage of vegetarians. - Global warming will also be solved by clean energy, not by using less energy.
What Hassabis is hinting at is the possibility of using AI to advance crops (GMOs) and materials in way that allows efficient provision of more stuff for more people. It is far more likely that these efforts yield fruits than that you convince 8B people to constrain their consumption (we've tried the latter for many years now: If you're aware of any progress made so far I, please share).
Re: Google DeepMind Founder Demis Hassabis: Three Truths about AI
#10To be honest, I can't really understand how come there are still people who, when confronted to a world that has been irremediably changed by humans' use of technology (for worst, they say) still believe that an improved technology used by the same humans will make things better. I'm looking at these quotes from the article: > The reason I say that is that if you look at the challenges that confront society: climate…
Frankly, I can't really understand how come people believe what you just wrote. Yes, technology created many problems, but we can't solve them by doing less technology, without reintroducing problems we've already solved. We can either not solve them, or try to solve it with more progress (likely introducing new problems as well). In other words: we dug a hole for ourselves with technology, but the only way we can di…
> In other words: we dug a hole for ourselves with technology, but the only way we can dig ourselves out of it is with more technology
I used to be a technofile, at least an internet-ofile, that's for sure, but I kept reading the same and same discourses about how this time things will be different while in reality things were becoming worse and as such I've started changing my mind.
> This is pretty much obvious.
Honestly, I don't see the obvious in that, quite the contrary, what you're basically saying is that we have used thing A (technology) to dig ourselves into a very big hole but we will dig ourselves out if only we would keep using the same thing A (albeit in a changed, improved form?). I can't really understand this type of reasoning.