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Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Interesting that Google/Waymo is one of the companies that boasts about not filing for bs patent portfolios and yet... :(

All patents are BS.

Not all to be honest, there are keystone patents (e.g. patent for integrated circuit) that were genuinely novel and breakthrough, but somewhere along the way the system seems to have become large dysfunctional.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how I seriously can't tell whether you mean the comment or the article on top of this thread.

Fine, I'll bite. The person mentioned in the article is not anonymous, his name, credentials and motivation are all publicly stated. None of which applies to the GP.

Granted. s/seriously/almost/g would have been more appropriate

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the little guy--you lose some, they win more. Patents need to have a much shorter lifetime except when regulation is involved. Tech patents, in general, should probably last about 5 years. If you get a patent, you should have to actively promote and license it if you want money from it. You shouldn't be able to just sit on it for decades and then nail somebody who comes out with a useful product down the road. Me…

You could keep the time limits where they are, if only they required that the inventions "actually" be novel and non-obvious. They need to stop issuing patents for basic reorganizations of existing tech. Idiotic things like a "one click checkout" or "sending email" or "packaging a media file into a podcast" should have been kicked back with a big red "denied" stamp from the USPTO after about 10 minutes of wasted time…

They only check:

Prior art

Form requirements

Legal form of the PTO s reply

https://www.indeed.com/m/viewjob?jk=07e3e8caed7c8dc1&from=se...

They do not seem to be checking obviousness at all.

And if this scares you may I suggest you never look up what determines if a public prosecutor takes a case or how social workers decide to go after children or psychologically ill people or not.

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Props to this guy. I just took a look at the patent (highly recommended), and it's fairly ridiculous. It's a 101 design to control a diode with a transistor.

It does look that way but then if that's the case why didn't anybody at Uber point that out during the lawsuit? From the article: >The patent describes how a laser diode can be configured to emit pulses of laser light using a circuit that includes an inductor and a gallium nitride transistor. That chance discovery helped spark a lawsuit in which Waymo accused Uber of patent infringement and of using lidar secrets sup…

Real life example from someone I know:

They worked at a company which was only allowed to use certain DRM stuff if they used patent-protected encryption within the hardware. Therefore he invented some and worked with the company lawyer to get a patent.

The patent lawyers’ job includes making the patent as general as possible. The lawyer did not understand the technology, and while broadening the patent claim they accidentally changed the patent into something which already existed - a binary adder, if I remember, certainly something that simple although the details are unimportant. None of this was relevant to my acquaintance nor their employer as the mere fact that they had a patent entitled them to use the DRM.

Even lawyers are vulnerable to the game of telephone. Despite their reputation as vampires, they are very human.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

Can you give some more specifics? What are your credentials exactly? You only have three comments in five years on your account, all related to patent discussions but no context as to who you are exactly.

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Props to this guy. I just took a look at the patent (highly recommended), and it's fairly ridiculous. It's a 101 design to control a diode with a transistor.

Well it does incorporate a voltage boost converter as part of it's operation but yeah, people have been doing that sort of thing since forever. Any time you have a requirement for a higher voltage than the supply and you are pulsing something this design will just fall out from that. Not an invention...

The Velodyne driver circuits are also entirely straightforward. The characteristics of inductors and capacitors are pretty well known by now. Apparently you can get a patent for using them in entirely obvious ways.

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If the US patent office did their job, then there would be no need for "vigilante" engineers.

Maybe the reporting of the patent situation is a bit biased but from what I've heard over the years it appears to me that every second patent should be invalid and has prior art.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are willing to sink the time into it it it not impossible for a smart person to do legal work that appears to require a professional lawyer.

Actually, I am pretty good friends with a civil engineer that did something almost exactly like this for a friend of his. He did this in his spare time and having no prior experience with the niche industry and law his friend's company operated in (botanical health supplements). The people from the federal government involved in the complaint did not believe he wasn't a specialized lawyer with a team of assistants. D…

if a dedicated civil engineer can pick up some law books and make it seem he was some high powered lawyer team,

can a dedicated lawyer pick up some engineering books and build a bridge that can survive SF's 'Big One'?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I am pretty good friends with a civil engineer that did something almost exactly like this for a friend of his. He did this in his spare time and having no prior experience with the niche industry and law his friend's company operated in (botanical health supplements). The people from the federal government involved in the complaint did not believe he wasn't a specialized lawyer with a team of assistants. D…

if a dedicated civil engineer can pick up some law books and make it seem he was some high powered lawyer team, can a dedicated lawyer pick up some engineering books and build a bridge that can survive SF's 'Big One'?

Maybe? A wooden pedestrian bridge with seismic shift absorbers like pagodas have seems feasible for a 1-man job, given enough time.

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

Can you share the document?

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