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Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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It's sad that Google has become part of the problem rather than the solution. So much for "Do no Evil".

On this one, they may have some ground. A former engineer allegedly walked out with designs, and pleaded the fifth amendment when asked to testify in court.

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For the little guy--you lose some, they win more. Patents need to have a much shorter lifetime except when regulation is involved. Tech patents, in general, should probably last about 5 years. If you get a patent, you should have to actively promote and license it if you want money from it. You shouldn't be able to just sit on it for decades and then nail somebody who comes out with a useful product down the road. Me…

5 years, from filing to market to making profit is really short. Maybe it works for simple parents but I'm pretty sure most true inventions (and smaller companies with somewhat less complicated patents) will not be able to profit properly from the patent that way.

Tough.

The nominal goal of a patent is to encourage innovation--not rent seeking.

And, if you can't monetize the patent within 5 years then maybe the patent really isn't that important or you really don't know how to implement the thing in the patent. That suggests that maybe you shouldn't be granted the patent in the first place.

Making patent terms short also has the upside that the big guys will want stricter review of patents rather than the current mess of almost universal approvals. After the big guys get burned a few times by somebody patenting something that can't actually be implemented but causes disclosure and burns up the clock on the patent they were going to file on their current product development, they will start screaming for real patent review processes.

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Doesn’t matter - he saw something anyone with EE101 should’ve spotted from the rewrite, stuck with his guns for no personal gain and won. I would love to have that much attention to detail (or even in the interest in reading through the patent).

It matters. Of all possible patents to invalidate, why this one? Uber - one of the world's most valuable private companies, doesn't need help with patent law.

Possible explanation: because this guy doesn't spend his day looking for patents to challenge; he read about that particular one on the news due to Waymo vs Uber case, and decided to take a look at it, only to notice it's bullshit.

That's the official story, but it also sounds pretty plausible.

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So, the last year, Waymo claimed that Uber infringe this patent and Uber claimed they redesign it so it didn't infringe the patent now. And then, the same patent is concluded to be "impossible" and "magic". What kind of nonsense is this? How do you use or redesign to avoid using the impossible magic tech?

The way I understand the story from this article, the patent wasn't magic, it was just obvious and plenty of prior art existed. When this guy challenged that patent, Waymo started rewriting it, and this is when the "impossible magic tech" was introduced.

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Making patents even slower to approve, and even more big-corp-only focused. You win some, you lose some. I'm not even sure which I'd prefer. It's all just fairly terrible.

For the little guy--you lose some, they win more. Patents need to have a much shorter lifetime except when regulation is involved. Tech patents, in general, should probably last about 5 years. If you get a patent, you should have to actively promote and license it if you want money from it. You shouldn't be able to just sit on it for decades and then nail somebody who comes out with a useful product down the road. Me…

You could keep the time limits where they are, if only they required that the inventions "actually" be novel and non-obvious.

They need to stop issuing patents for basic reorganizations of existing tech. Idiotic things like a "one click checkout" or "sending email" or "packaging a media file into a podcast" should have been kicked back with a big red "denied" stamp from the USPTO after about 10 minutes of wasted time by the examiner.

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

It is really funny that a conspiracy theory posted by an anonymous person with no backing evidence whatsoever is sitting at the top of this thread.

Re: Vigilante engineer stops Waymo from patenting key lidar technology

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I have actually reviewed this man's supposedly vigilante's submission to the USPTO and it is clear that this story is not what it seems. The document is a highly professional 95+ page document of complex legal argumentation that only a law firm with a small team of lawyers with a lot of prior experience doing this could have put together. It contains lots of lawyer speak and contemporary argumentation that a lay pers…

Or he hired a law firm to write it for him? Not far fetched.

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Url changed from https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/waymo-uber-lidar-patent-e... , which points to this.

This URL referenced by CloudYeller is a much better story than the Ars one: https://www.wired.com/story/eric-swildens-uber-waymo-lawsuit...

That was discussed in 2017 here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15875685. The new articles do have new information, so we'll leave this one up.
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