Is there mandatory maternity leave? No. Women want their freebees. So now of course forcibly keeping men from working more MUST be done. Busy body nonsense.
Mandatory paternity leave would help close the wage gap
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#102It would have been a more interesting article had it also went into the downsides of this approach. One specific concern is that mandatory paternity leave may discourage men from becoming fathers, further decreasing the birth rate which is already quite low in many advanced economies. Another is that if taking paternity leave impacts men's careers, then in many cases both parents will suffer such an impact, further d…
Everyone is talking about needing to control population, but according to current figures, the population will level our around 11b people around 2100. Check out www.gapminder.org for more info, but a lot of what people think about the world is wrong.
And you think 11 billion is a good number? We couldn't support the 6 billion at western standards of living.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
But women don't have to have children, in fact it would be much better if they didn't. You write your post as if it's all miraculous conception. Women can make a choice to do something that will impact their career negatively. Men don't have that choice. People who don't intend to have children subsidising people who do (who are on average already richer and more privileged) is deeply messed up. This only makes sense…
But employers know that you might have children and if you are a woman that you will have a certain amount of time off work as a result. So they might choose to employ a man instead even if you don't plan to have children yourself. Obviously illegal in many jurisdictions but extremely hard to prove.
This is more of a problem of our current system of maternity leave being company funded rather than publically funded which would actually solve this problem overnight.
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#104There should be a system that every n years you get a 6-month paid sabbatical that can be used for any purpose - studying, traveling, having a kid, anything. Because consider two women, one who wants kids and one who doesn’t. Why should woman 2 be disadvantaged? Isn’t that the exact opposite of equality?
Doesn't this encourage terminating employees before that N year, unless they are absolutely essential?
Well it’s already illegal to sack a woman immediately that she announces she’s pregnant, so I guess this would come under the same thing. For both men and women obv.
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#105Don’t enforce it. Just start with making it tax funded, not employer funded. Next make part of the parental leave shared between parents be allocated to the father. Now if they don’t use it they will lose a benefit they already paid taxes for. The last and most important step is to keep this system in place for a generation or more, after which any parent not doing a fair chunk of the parental leave will be considere…
Just start with making it tax funded, not employer funded. I guess it'd be good for small businesses, but I'm not sure how I'd feel about paying $40,000,000 a year to Larry Ellison while he was on parental leave.
Just cap it, if you make more than 100k you don't really need it anyway.
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#106Let's stop discriminating against people who have a family or other things to do except work. Start by enforcing 40 hour work week and make overtime paid 150%. Employers prefer frugal workaholics with no obligations but these individuals impose externality on "normal people". We're rich enough, no need working above 8h/day. I'd go all the way and make it illegal to provide work without compensation (internships, 80h…
Those benefits have been in Sweden for decades.
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#107How would you enforce men informing their company that they recently became a father?
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#108I'm in favour of a set amount of parental leave that can be shared between spouses in whatever ratio they choose. I don't understand how depriving families of choices is going to be a good thing. Example: You and your husband would like to breastfeed your baby for the first 6 months but you are unable to express? Too bad, your husband has to take paternity leave and you will have to go back to work. From my experienc…
The state already imposes interruptions in what parents see as their childs well being. Requiring vaccinations to attend school, preventing parents from including children in dangerous religious events like snake handling, stopping underage marriages even when the parent thinks it's in the child best economic interest, etc. Unless you are against state intervention in cases like these, then you are already accepting…
> Unless you are against state intervention in cases like these, then you are already accepting that the state can interfere.
Okay, fair enough. I will vehemently oppose any state interruption that goes against medical recommendations. You will not believe the string of NHS nurses and caregivers who tried to ensure that we breastfed our child.
Re: Mandatory paternity leave would help close the wage gap
#109It would have been a more interesting article had it also went into the downsides of this approach. One specific concern is that mandatory paternity leave may discourage men from becoming fathers, further decreasing the birth rate which is already quite low in many advanced economies. Another is that if taking paternity leave impacts men's careers, then in many cases both parents will suffer such an impact, further d…
Lowering the birth rates is the number one thing we can do to save the planet so I see that as a positive thing.
Misanthropy should be looked down even more than misogyny because it’s hating twice as many people.
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#110Make men stay at home for paternity leave? I have a coworker fighting for the ability to stay at home for parental leave.
If you read the article you see why: men who take it are liable to face consequences ("what, you are so unimportant that the company can do with out you?") that clearly also affect women. The article discusses that if you make it mandatory you get the company culture to adapt that parental leave should not be a career-affecting thing.
The article discusses that if you make it mandatory you get the company culture to adapt that parental leave should not be a career-affecting thing.
It will never not affect your career. Even if you work for a wonderfully enlightened company that is happy to have you take six months off at full pay, the people who are continuing to work in that time are going to be gaining experience and increasing their skills, and will have a better shot at raises and promotions.