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Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by gfodor »

kjetilk wrote: post #195
gfodor wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAICT there are literally no apps to try this on. Why did they decide to announce this and publicize it before a basic, well-polished, example was ready? The pod signup process is using vanilla bootstrap, there wasn't even a visual design pass.

Well, I guess we just asked the opposite question: Is there any reason to keep this sub-surface any longer, and we didn't find any such reason... :-) So, it is just "release early, release often". So, the code and the spec has been out there for a long time. I mean, some of this stuff is really old. Us geeks have been thinking about decentralized social networking since the dawn of ages, and it seems like the rest of…

I think I saw a few example apps linked elsewhere -- the apps section of the marketing-oriented website just said "coming soon." I think it'd be a good idea to show these apps off, even if they are unfinished. I know I'm personally skeptical of any specification that lacks working examples, and the website, due to its lack of apps, implies there are none (hence my "afaict.") good luck with the launch!

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Post by j45 »

nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

> I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented.

It did feel like a new beginning.. combined with a "that's it?", combined with a "how will they ever get everything online?" At the time, no one was really online or knew what the internet was. Protocols like Gopher, Archie worked ok, and there was a BBS world..

Still, the web just felt unspeakably different to what came before in an indefinable way.

If application logic can be separated from data in Solid, this could be meaningful evolution to the web.

Imagine plugging in all of our existing data in one app or database into any other app or database.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by gobengo »

I gave this talk[0] a few weeks ago at MyData 2018 about ActivityPub. Dmitry was going to come and talk about Solid on the same panel, but couldn't make it last minute. So I spoke a bit about Solid at the end too, and compared and contrasted.

Kim Hamilton Duffy gave an illuminating talk right before me about "Decentralized Identifiers and Self Sovereign Identity Standards"[1]

lmk if any feedback or questions

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikCumzhfV9k

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsIM0zq37fU

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by samirm »

nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

security implies availability friendo

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Post by sethherr »

buboard wrote: post #205
tfha wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be nice when browsing without a license is punishable the same way driving without a license is. People will finally be held accountable for the things they say and do online.

Why would people be punished for things they say (people can't do things online, unless you re talking about remotely controlling a robotic arm).

Har har har har, right?

Voting machines and nuclear reactors get hacked with code - which is just something people say on computers.

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Post by timbl »

detritus wrote: post #188

Well I feel like an idiot, I populated my 'pod' with a couple of personal details, and now have no idea how to undo what I've done* and haven't received a confirmatory email to my address so now have some 'thing' on public space I have no control over, no understanding of and no ability to delete. Not a great start. * Ostensibly I've over-written with nonsense details, but a cursory check in another browser, not sign…

Use the Access Control pane to remove public access from whatever you are worried about. If you go to your public folder in the data browser, then select the sharing control pane by hovering at the top of the pane so the pane icons appear and then click on the rainbow icon. You should see the access control list including yourself at the top as the owner, and public (a globe icon) at the bottom as readers - in green. Delete the globe icon line by hovering at the right side, clicking on the read minus sign, and then confirming you want to remove the public. (If you need to drag it back, there is a globe icon at the bottom you can always grab to drop into the access control list.) Sorry not better documented!

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Post by jonnydubowsky »

dgudkov wrote: post #14

I like the idea. It's basically an encapsulated portable personal "wiki" for a user (persona) with an open data model that can be accessed by external apps based on permissions. What it doesn't solve is the problem how this data is going to be used by those who access it. I wish there was some kind of digital contracts that only allow using personal data in a way permitted by the user.

https://hyperledger-fabric.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.2/acc... there are several emerging approaches to deliver that level of control over identity and artifacts. Each identity you provide to apps will have a root folder where you store the smart contract which maintains your sharing preferences and permissions. It's early days, but progress is being made, and it seems as if there will continue to be strong forces of co-opetition across the web3/indy web, and federated multi-verse. It will be interesting to see what kind of standards ultimately emerge and which community leads that charge.

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Post by jonnydubowsky »

azeirah wrote: post #182
dgudkov wrote: post #14

I like the idea. It's basically an encapsulated portable personal "wiki" for a user (persona) with an open data model that can be accessed by external apps based on permissions. What it doesn't solve is the problem how this data is going to be used by those who access it. I wish there was some kind of digital contracts that only allow using personal data in a way permitted by the user.

Have you heard of the concept of "homomorphic encryption"? It allows someone to perform computations on encrypted pieces of data, without actually ever having access to the raw data itself. I have no idea how realistic or how "possible" this technology is for in the near future, but this seems to be a great match for technologies like these.

I've found https://www.openmined.org use of homomorphic encryption to be really interesting, (+ Unity integration!)
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