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Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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The human concepts of ownership implies a very important right that people tend to overlook: the right to DESTROY it , to undo it, to "take back what you said". This is important, because for physical artifacts having the right to destroy/demolish means having the right to create new things in its place (if I inherit a historical monument castle and I can't f demolish it to a pile of sand by my liking, than that's a…

> than that's a scam, I don't really own it Legally speaking then, you don't own information about yourself like your address or past actions. The government won't let you erase that information. The only way to make your friends and family forget it is to kill them, which is obviously highly illegal. Even with efforts like Right to Be Forgotten, Europe isn't positing that you actually own information about yourself…

> How can you own something that is inside my head?

If I put it there, I own it, and I should be able to destroy all proof that it's not purely a fabrication of your imagination. (Sure, you can still know it and use it to guide your decision, but it shouldn't be legally valid any more, and there should be no way for you to convince others it's true.) Yeah, obviously if it's in the heads of other people too, it would be more accounts in favor of that information being authentic, increasing the probability that I am lying about that in a legal situation. But key thing would be that it's a probability. I can destroy the certainty. That could swing depending on context, maybe I'm more trustworthy than the group of people arguing for the authenticity of that piece of information.

Obviously there's great deal of criminal activities that can be protected by going too far with this, so it's a question of "tweaking the dial" until we get the right amount of informational "light" and "darkness". As Jung said, there are some who need light, and some who thrive in the shadows...

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Maybe I am just naive, but this all seems terrible. There are paragraphs of ideology everywhere for every aspect of this and nothing boils down to any understandable description of what engineering mechanisms I can use or how it solves the problems laid out. I really want to like this, but if I spend 15 minutes clicking the guides, the “build a solid app on your lunch break” link, and going all over the site, and I s…

> Maybe I am just naive, but this all seems terrible. I do have most respect for TBH and I would consider everything he thinks and writes about, but this does not sound too good to me either. The idea of linked data and semantic web has been around for almost two decades now and I have yet to see an application, technique or site that amazes me. On the contrary, most of the things in this space I have seen are bloate…

> The idea of linked data and semantic web has been around for almost two decades now and I have yet to see an application, technique or site that amazes me.

Ted Nelson invented the idea of hypertext in the early '60s. It wasn't until the creation of HyperCard in 1987 and the WWW in 1990 that there were practical applications of hypertext that you could put your hands on and use.

Ideas can take a long time to mature.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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It seems like steemit.com may be a better model. On steemit, all of the data is public on a blockchain. As a result, things you share are public but not locked into any one application. Many apps exist using the same underlying structure but serve completely different purposes (See dtube)

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Solid appears to use TLS client certificates for authentication. (Granted, they're working on some kind of OAuth integration too.) WebID-TLS appears to have the same severe drawback that HTTP authentication does: the UI is provided by the browser, and so can't be customized, branded, or tweaked in any meaningful way by authentication providers. The TLS certificate dialog my browser presented just now attempting to use the "hello world" live demo also appeared to be extremely intimidating for non-technical users: for example, it presented long strings of hex numbers.

I don't think Solid is going to get any meaningful adoption until the signup and authentication flows resemble those of major current social platforms, which have enjoyed years of usability optimization.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human concepts of ownership implies a very important right that people tend to overlook: the right to DESTROY it , to undo it, to "take back what you said". This is important, because for physical artifacts having the right to destroy/demolish means having the right to create new things in its place (if I inherit a historical monument castle and I can't f demolish it to a pile of sand by my liking, than that's a…

> than that's a scam, I don't really own it Legally speaking then, you don't own information about yourself like your address or past actions. The government won't let you erase that information. The only way to make your friends and family forget it is to kill them, which is obviously highly illegal. Even with efforts like Right to Be Forgotten, Europe isn't positing that you actually own information about yourself…

> Legally speaking then, you don't own information about yourself like your address or past actions

...and of this: clearly you want just some information to be impermanent or undo-able. I wouldn't want all information about myself to be delete-able. Just pick a class of infos, like "tweets" or "tv interviews" etc. And delete-able shouldn't mean modifiable. If I'd delete a year of my "certified resume" I'd still end up with a "blank year" that wouldn't look good.

There's room for forgettable channels of communication and publishing, from which information can be permanently deleted, and these should also have legal protections ensuring that if someone retains copies of that infos then they are inadmissible in any court, even if they were public at some point. A fully networked society needs such safe-spaces too...

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

AFAICT there are literally no apps to try this on. Why did they decide to announce this and publicize it before a basic, well-polished, example was ready? The pod signup process is using vanilla bootstrap, there wasn't even a visual design pass.

https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/SoLiD

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #165

The w3.org site describing solid is much better (even if some links don't work): https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/SoLiD https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html inrupt.com site is just marketing hype and crap experience.

The footer of the Wiki page says: "Last edited 3 years ago"

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #150

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It'll be nice when browsing without a license is punishable the same way driving without a license is. People will finally be held accountable for the things they say and do online.

I feel the exact same way about writing. How much human suffering has been caused by people's ability to just read and write down anything whenever they want? There is zero accountability! Heck, nowadays, I can even make graphics on a computer and then walk into Staples and print them out on official-looking, high quality paper. And they even have the gall let me pay anonymously in cash! In the good old days, only th…

I smell some sarcasm in this thread.

But we are on the net so nobody knows for sure.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAICT there are literally no apps to try this on. Why did they decide to announce this and publicize it before a basic, well-polished, example was ready? The pod signup process is using vanilla bootstrap, there wasn't even a visual design pass.

https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/SoLiD

Do some of these work? I haven't been able to login to any including the ones listed here: https://github.com/solid/solid-apps
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