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Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by mbrumlow »

danShumway wrote: post #154
tfha wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll be nice when browsing without a license is punishable the same way driving without a license is. People will finally be held accountable for the things they say and do online.

I feel the exact same way about writing. How much human suffering has been caused by people's ability to just read and write down anything whenever they want? There is zero accountability! Heck, nowadays, I can even make graphics on a computer and then walk into Staples and print them out on official-looking, high quality paper. And they even have the gall let me pay anonymously in cash! In the good old days, only th…

I just had flash backs of Reddit...

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by pulkitsh1234 »

So, I need to ensure that my POD(s) are up and running just to access other services (which will read data from my POD) ? Isn't that a step backwards ? or am I missing something ? Will the data be cached somewhere, so the services are accessible even if PODs go down ?

If people can't run their own POD servers reliably, then they need to use some other cloud POD providers (Inrupt, as mentioned on the website). Which means your data is now with a third-party.

    Solid changes the current model where users have to hand over personal data to digital giants in exchange for perceived value
Won't Inrupt become one of those digital giants (in context of Solid) with access to numerous PODs of people who cannot reliably host them ?

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by codingdave »

nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

> I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what?

Yes, That is very similar to how I felt when I first found the web. I forget how early it was (1991?), but I was on gopher and saw the docs and a few small sites and had the same thought -- mildly interesting, but not much there. But it took off quickly, and I'd say within 2 years from my first seeing it, gopher was dying, browsers were coming out for Windows and I was trying to explain to people that this was going to change the world.

Will this change it, too? Who knows. But I'm not going to dismiss it just because it is starting small.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by nabla9 »

afpx wrote: post #107
nulbyte wrote: post #87

After reading what little documentation is available and installing a single-user solid server myself, I wonder if this is how people felt when the World Wide Web was first invented. I find myself asking: Okay, now what? Except I think even the World Wide Web, when it was first invented, at least had a demo that worked. Solid doesn't even seem to work. Following instructions for "learn[ing] how to install and run you…

I hope there’s a lot more than that. I mean, they claim that they’ve been working on it for 15 years. “Solid has taken 15 years of development work to finally deliver this.” I probably missed something, but I didn’t see mention of Solid being taken through a standards body, either (even his own one). Web protocols were standardized early and were royalty free, with working prototypes. That helped lead to quick adopti…

As far as I see, solid is just bunch of existing standards bundled together. Especially RDF and things related to it.

The w3.org site describing solid is actually more readable: https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/SoLiD

See also https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by hobofan »

nnq wrote: post #145
hobofan wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very much depends on the concept of ownership, doesn't it? ;) I mean, you own it, but so does everyone else. I think the traditional(?) concept of ownership you are referring to, that allows people to "delete" information is very unnatural and feels akin to trying to reverse entropy. You can't unring a bell, and you can't delete data from the world.

The human concepts of ownership implies a very important right that people tend to overlook: the right to DESTROY it , to undo it, to "take back what you said". This is important, because for physical artifacts having the right to destroy/demolish means having the right to create new things in its place (if I inherit a historical monument castle and I can't f demolish it to a pile of sand by my liking, than that's a…

> And for informational artifacts, the right to "undo" or "take back" is also important, because the fact that what you say/publish is there to haunt you forever will have a chilling effect... lots of interesting things will go unsaid unwritten.

Yes, that's the root for a lot of information censorship. Society as a whole is still very immature and tends to pretend that not every human is flawed and has a past with mistakes. I hope that we can collectively move past that at some point.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by lazarljubenovic »

nabla9 wrote: post #165

The w3.org site describing solid is much better (even if some links don't work): https://www.w3.org/community/rww/wiki/SoLiD https://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/LinkedData.html inrupt.com site is just marketing hype and crap experience.

Was just about to say that after reading for a minute I understood nothing about the material. It was just a random array of buzzwords.

Re: Solid – Reshape the web as we know it

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Post by rkagerer »

Can someone clear this up for me?

"This Solid POD can be in your house or workplace, or with an online Solid POD provider of your choice."

"you never have to sync, because your data stays with you"

If you choose to keep custody of your own "pod", how are you supposed to achieve redundancy without some kind of sync / backup process?

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