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Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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This story collapses a lot of popular narratives. That peoples in USA buying drugs are the drivers of violence in Mexico. That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear.

> That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear. I wonder, however, if drugs had never become illegal would a major crime organization managed to form in the first place?

Russia has major crime organizations without having a reputation as a narco place.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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post #25

This story collapses a lot of popular narratives. That peoples in USA buying drugs are the drivers of violence in Mexico. That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear.

> That peoples in USA buying drugs are the drivers of violence in Mexico.

It's still a massive source of revenue and it's what made these cartels big in the first place. Otherwise, they wouldn't be called "drug cartels".

> That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear.

It would drastically reduce the problem, just like ending the prohibition on alcohol drastically reduced, but didn't eliminate, Mafia activities.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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This story collapses a lot of popular narratives. That peoples in USA buying drugs are the drivers of violence in Mexico. That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear.

They aren't giving up on the drugs. They are just expanding into other areas.

The link between cartels and US demand for drugs is clear. This is just something local that is happening over and above the international trade.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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Mexico, along with Russia, are the two most notorious mafia states. And notice the problems have been getting worse as the amount of oil diminishes, which was predicted. This, on our own doorstep, cannot be contained and will affect our own country. There will be even more refugees, too, because of this.

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Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear. I wonder, however, if drugs had never become illegal would a major crime organization managed to form in the first place?

Russia has major crime organizations without having a reputation as a narco place.

Every country has crime organizations than runs illegal drugs. Mexico or Colombia are special because they're right where the one most profitable drug in the world is produced.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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post #25

This story collapses a lot of popular narratives. That peoples in USA buying drugs are the drivers of violence in Mexico. That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear.

> That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear. I wonder, however, if drugs had never become illegal would a major crime organization managed to form in the first place?

We know the answer already. The Sicilian Mafia was a landowners' association and traded in citrus fruit. Vito Corleone was a literary figure, but it's understandable why he was averse to moving into the drug trade.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. How's the US military holding up against fighters in Afghanistan or Iraq? Guerilla style warfare has always been a problem for the United States. Case in point, Vietnam. Now throw the Cartel into the mix with the funding they have and you'd have a much bigger problem at hand. "They fare extremely poorly against the Mexican military." Show proof of this statement? Ev…

The reason the US can't stop them has nothing to do with guerrilla warfare. The CIA dictates the policy and the military follows it. Their policies are ineffective because they are interested in delaying the war.

I think the issue can be explained without conspiracy theories. US military can't win against guerrilla, because US public cares about their image as the "good guys". And to be good guys you have to avoid any civilian casualties, which significantly raises the difficulty of all military operations.

The war against ISIS in Syria is a good example: Americans struggled for years, and then Russians came and pretty much ended the whole thing in 3 months. How? By bombarding civilians, including the hospitals, and (allegedly) using chemical weapons.

So, US have no problem winning the fight against guerillas, other than its own restraint.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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post #25

This story collapses a lot of popular narratives. That peoples in USA buying drugs are the drivers of violence in Mexico. That legalizing drugs would make the cartels and the violence disappear.

No one ever seriously suggested the latter. But reducing the size of black markets will reduce the revenue from them. I mean gangs are moving bootleg cigarettes around to get around taxes but it’s not major driver of violence.

Re: Mexico’s drug cartels are moving into the gasoline industry

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How much cocaine can you dissolve in gasoline-based/like solvents to smuggle and then reconstitute? How much cash can you smuggle in the middle of a fuel tanker? How easily/efficiently can oil companies launder money? Why is no one addressing the seemingly obvious truth that the entire world is nothing but a complex corrupt criminal system of lies? Or am I just far too cynical?

> Why is no one addressing the seemingly obvious truth that the entire world is nothing but a complex corrupt criminal system of lies?

It isn't.

> Or am I just far too cynical?

Yes.

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