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Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by whoknowsnobody »

nerdponx wrote: post #135
whoknowsnobody wrote: post #133

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I think Jon said somewhere that to start being profitable they needed something about 3 million users, and Vivaldi already has more than 800 000 according to their page and I heard some other sites saying it's already at over 1 million.

That's surprisingly economical, much more than I expected. I suppose "no tracking" search engines like DDG have a similar approach.

Actually I don't thinks it's so surprising, the 90s did not have tracking and companies have survived and grown.

But tracking is probably +5x more profitable minimum, while Vivaldi or Mozilla might get some $1/user Google probably makes $5-$15/user. And the reason of all the tracking and why companies fight so hard against legislation that try to cut their cash cow.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by LocalH »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #140
class4behavior wrote: post #137

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The link clearly describes that de facto you have access to Vivaldi's entire code.

"Because you can disassemble it, it's de-facto open source" Give me a freaking break.

https://vivaldi.com/source/

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by Sir_Cmpwn »

LocalH wrote: post #142
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #140

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"Because you can disassemble it, it's de-facto open source" Give me a freaking break.

https://vivaldi.com/source/

This is not the complete source code, this is just their patches to Chromium. You cannot build Vivaldi with this.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

BrendanEich wrote: post #138
CorpusCalcium wrote: post #116

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No, he wasn't. He wasn't accepted as CEO by enough employees, but he could have stepped down and retained another position in the company, like CTO. Even he recognizes that Mozilla leadership wanted him to stay on board, but he chose to quit and pursue his own project. Which is fine. It just doesn't mean he was "forced" out any more than the people who quit because they couldn't stand him being CEO were "forced" out.

Why are you asserting false claims without being able to support them? As CEO I had already reorged Mozilla, and CTO was lined up for someone else (Andreas Gal). I was not offered any particular C level position by anyone with authority over such things. I did not leave because of any of my employees objecting to me. If you are thinking of the handful of Mozilla Foundation employees who tweeted on March 27th against…

Only on HN one could write about a tech "celebrity" (not meant as an insult) and the person shows up and corrects you.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by nerdponx »

whoknowsnobody wrote: post #141
nerdponx wrote: post #135

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That's surprisingly economical, much more than I expected. I suppose "no tracking" search engines like DDG have a similar approach.

Actually I don't thinks it's so surprising, the 90s did not have tracking and companies have survived and grown. But tracking is probably +5x more profitable minimum, while Vivaldi or Mozilla might get some $1/user Google probably makes $5-$15/user. And the reason of all the tracking and why companies fight so hard against legislation that try to cut their cash cow.

Are there any "open" ad-targeting platforms, where you get to see where and how your data is used?

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by yoz-y »

rayascott wrote: post #110
pennaMan wrote: post #92

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There are extensions for Chrome and Firefox that do exactly that. https://www.one-tab.com/

Thanks for the extensions but my idea is more around browsers treating our activity more as multiple projects that we’re working on. Like associated files, they’re associated URLs. Extensions are fool, but you’d think the browser wars would spur greater innovation in this area.

I feel that browser wars have finished and the winners are Chrome and mobile Safari. Other browsers now fight for numbers so advanced features are not really a priority.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by _Codemonkeyism »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #68
toyg wrote: post #51

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> Ever since they forced out Brendan [...] FF has really started to go down hill I'm sorry you weren't around when Firefox (then called Phoenix) was really good, but most FF problems pre-date 2014. They are actually being addressed just about now.

I used Phoenix (from about 0.6 IIRC) and for the most part had FF as my main browser - trialing alternatives occasionally (Opera, Flock, Chrome, etc.) and doing web testing with others (Links, IEx, android browser, Maxthon, etc.). When Eich was ousted it seemed like things took a sea change and we started getting "commercial" stuff shoved in our faces (alright, stuck on our toolbars). Firefox doesn't appear to be a h…

For Mozilla FF is now only a money making machine, they've lost all interest in a browser, they use it to further their political goals.

As a browser user I have nothing about political goals or making money, as long as the browser experience comes first.

Re: Vivaldi 2.0 – includes sync, resizable tab tiling, floating web panels and more

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Post by nhumrich »

mthoms wrote: post #86
nhumrich wrote: post #31

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Firefox can do this with an extension

Except doesn't each browser window have full window chrome? If the idea is to save screen space that's a non-starter.

no. Thats only how the chrome extension works. In FF, its actually a true split.
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